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September 19, 2016

Pathetic Israeli bullshite by Moshe Arens

From Haaretz – Opinion: A Future Palestinian State Doesn’t Have to Be ‘Ethnically Cleansed’ of Jews

However, the Palestinians aren’t claiming a future Palestinian state would or should be free of Jews. Abbas, “we would not see the presence of a single Israeli.

It makes perfect sense to demand that foreigners become citizens of Palestine before they can legally settle in the State of Palestine. After all, Israel doesn’t allow non-Israelis to illegally settle in Israel.

Abbas is of course correct. Whether they are Jewish or non-Jewish, citizens of the Occupying Power are prohibited under International Law from illegally settling in territories that power holds under military occupation.

Moshe Arens has taken Netanyahu’s blatantly false claim and run with it as though it has some substance.

Either Arens is so stupid that he’s trying to make a legless strawman walk or perhaps he’s so desperate for material he needs to lie. Perhaps he’s simply another propagandist for the on-going Zionist colonization of Palestine or maybe he’s simply brainwashed

December 15, 2014

More theft by Israel. Not showing Jewish values!


Palestinian maritime borders From Haaretz – By Eran Azran and Reuters 22:09 14.12.14

A new natural gas field off Israel’s Mediterranean coast may hold about 3.2 trillion cubic feet of gas, about one third the size of the giant Tamar field, its two Israeli partners said Sunday after conducting a 3D seismic survey of the area.

If the estimate is accurate, reserves for the Royee prospect, located about 150 kilometers (93 miles) offshore Israel and close to its maritime borders with Cyprus and Egypt, would be the third-largest discovered in Israeli waters and the fourth-largest in the Mediterranean Basin, said Israel Opportunity, a partner in the group.

Problem … Under which official agreement did Israel legally acquire the territories “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”?

Fact is, there is no such agreement and;
the acquisition of territory by war was illegal by 1933 under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, adopted into the UN Charter 1945, International Law when Israel’s boundaries were proclaimed and recognized!

Put simply, Israel’s maritime borders with Egypt are not as claimed

Israel’s Mediterranean coastline extends only as far South as Ashdod and North as far as Acre!

Map of Palestinian territory never legally annexed to Israel

December 6, 2014

More stupid Hasbara


Screen shot from Haaretz Dec 6th 2014

fake Iranian patch 01

fake Iranian patch 02

You decide

July 13, 2014

Israeli propaganda FAIL! Photo fakes July 2014

Who does Israel think it’s fooling with fake photos?
1) The water pipes either side are completely un-damaged. It simply DOES NOT look like a rocket of that diameter has buried the majority of its length in the earth!
It’s OBVIOUSLY fake!
fake Hamas rocket - Hasbara

2) A rocket might have struck this house at some time, but there’s no signs of charring from a grad explosion WHAT SO EVER!!!
Is it a photo of demolition work?

See how Israel’s Magic Sofa Chairs resist the charring and shrapnel you’d expect to see from a rocket explosion large enough to cause this amount of damage!
fake rocket damage 2 - Hasbara

See how Israel’s Magic Sofa Chairs bury themselves under the rubble
fake rocket damage - Hasbara

The amount of damage it seems, was caused by the explosion of two gas cylinders allegedly set off by a grad rocket. Oddly there are no photos of the remnants of the alleged rocket. If it completely disintegrated, one would expect far more damage and a lot of charring.


Compare the kind of destruction wrought on Palestine to that on Israel

gaza destruction 01
gaza destruction 02
islamic university Gaza aug 2104
gaza destruction 05
gaza destruction 06

Destruction in Gaza ———- Destruction in Israel

The Palestinians have no where to flee the war zone, not even the sea. Under the 2005 agreement and the Israeli/Egypt Peace Treaty Israel has had all the crossings closed including those with Egypt. Only an Occupying Power has this right.

In the bigger picture, the Palestinians ask for far less than their LEGAL rights under the Laws and UN Charter which Israel is obliged to follow. Abbas offered in front of the world at the UN to concede 78% of their rightful territory for peace, Meanwhile while Israel offers nothing and makes demands that have absolutely no legal basis what so ever and continues its illegal expansionist policies.

May 8, 2012

The Hasbara – World’s worst propaganda – photoshopping the evidence from Mavi Marmara


The Hasbara – World’s worst propaganda – photoshopping the evidence from Mavi Marmara?

Ships are a part of the territory of the state under whose flag they sail.

Basically, if there is a Master at Arms, the Captain must decide if the integrity of territory of the state is under threat, at which point armed resistance is warranted. If there is no Master at Arms on a ship, arms are expressly forbidden. Tools of trade such as knives, blades and equipment for ships maintenance and normal running of a galley are not arms.

You decide

Original from Haaretz

Enlargement of the dagger. Notice the mashed thumb, the gap between the blade and handle and the perspective of the blade, which is not correct for the position of his hand or the handle.

Note the shape of the blade

This pic is gamma corrected (lightened). Notice the shadows

A Jambiya does not have a gap between blade and handle

Here is the guy in question, with his ceremonial dagger

Here is his ceremonial dagger in the pile of ‘weapons’ found by the IDF

The only ‘weapon’ one would not normally find on a ship the size of the Mavi Mamara, is the ceremonial dagger. There are spare handles (shaped) for sledge hammers or fire axes, an assortment of cooking knives and a few pocket knives that every sailor carries. A screw driver? Other pics of weapons show iron bars etc. In fact, nothing unusual for an engineers’ workshop on a ship the size of the Mavi Mamara.

Notice the shape of the blade. Note especially – THERE IS NO GAP between blade and handle

He’s sitting. Why would and how could anyone attack the IDF while sitting? And why wasn’t he shot if he was attacking the IDF? And why are people standing in the background smiling, clapping?

The raid took place in the early morning at 4:30 IST.
this photo was taken during the day
This photo was taken during the day

Thanks to Denis O’Brien at _logo_phere


Also see an analysis of the alleged Mavi Marmara broadcasts

December 18, 2010

A semi-literate Brian Whitaker writing for the Guardian?

Filed under: The Guardian / CiF — Tags: , , , , , , , — talknic @ 6:49 am

Literacy skills are a pre-requisite for journalism. At the very least an ability to apply the very basic English rules of grammar to the English language.

Brian Whitaker

It is now more than three years since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made his famous claim during a visit to New York: “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. This does not exist in our country.”

His words caused laughter among the audience at Columbia University…

Perhaps it was a sudden plague of deafness amongst the audience or their Manglish, caused the laughter.

Much the same is demonstrated by Snr Whitaker’s A) reiterating verbatim what was conveyed by by one Dr.Banafsheh Keynoush whose translation skills are impeccable “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. This does not exist in our country.”

B) then his failure to understand what was said and instead and interpreting it thus “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. They do not exist in our country.”

Does a person mean ‘they’ when they say ‘this’? In the USA there is open homosexuality, this phenomenon does not exist in Iran.

Whitaker then goes on about Iran’s laws against homosexual behaviour. Put simply, one doesn’t have road rules if there are no roads.

October 2, 2010

Thinking of buying land or an apartment in Israel? Buyers beware. The Israeli Land Fund engages in illegal activities, deceit, propaganda

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” and declared Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
it’s a territory of Palestine…


NOTHING on Israeli Land Fund History of Struggle page gives Israel any LEGAL right to sell land in “territories occupied” or anywhere outside of Israel’s actual Sovereign boundaries. Buying this land or any Israeli civilian structure/apartment from the Israeli Land Fund , in the knowledge that the territory is NOT Israeli under International Law, is to be complicit in a crime. Investing in the construction of Israeli civilian infrastructure, development or dwellings in “territories occupied” or outside of Israel’s Sovereign territories, is to be complicit in a crime.

The Israeli Land Fund is LYING: “The State of Israel today was built on land which was legally purchased by Jewish organizations such as the Jewish National Fund (JNF) and other private individuals.”

A) Private, corporate and institutionally owned land is NOT ‘territory’. It’s REAL ESTATE! B) Furthermore, only a tiny percentage of the ‘territory’ eventually allocated to and accepted on behalf of Israel under UNGA Res 181, was ever bought (as real estate). Israel received the ‘territory’ for the homeland state COMPLETELY FREE. GRATIS. NO CHARGE. It was declared a Sovereign state and recognized as such by the majority of the International Community of States, based on the information provided them by the Provisional Government of Israel May 14th 1948, over riding the Arab State’s legal objections. Sovereign States MUST have declared and defined boundaries in order that other states know where Sovereignty begins and ends. Israel’s Sovereign Boundaries were declared May 14th 1948. No more, no less.

Furthermore it is illegal to ‘acquire’ territory by either defensive or aggressive war. Territory must be legally annexed, i.e., by a bilateral agreement, even if ‘acquired’ in a defensive war. ‘acquisition’ of territory is different from “restoring the lawful sovereign”.

Israel’s wars: A preemptive war is started by the preemptor. The UNSC does not recognize a preemptive war as defensive. It is why Israel has never asked for UN/UNSC assistance in it’s wars. It would not have been forthcoming. When Israel says “we were alone”, it is because Israel preempted (started) war. Under the preemptive Plan Dalet, launched in the weeks preceding Israeli declaration, Jewish forces were OUTSIDE of Israel’s declared territories at the time they were being declared. What was a civil war pre-declaration, became a war waged by a Sovereign State, against what remained of Palestine the moment Israel declared it’s Sovereign territories and adopted the Jewish forces OUTSIDE of those declared territories.

Under the UN Charter, the Arab States, as Regional Powers, had a right to attempt to expel foreign forces from the territories of Palestine. The Arab States’ Declaration on the Invasion of Palestine was accepted as valid by the UNSC . There are no UNSC resolutions condemning the Arab States for starting any war with Israel OR for invading Sovereign Israeli territory. Israel’s wars have all been fought almost exclusively in the territories of Palestine or the neighbouring states . There are no UNSC Resolutions calling for a cessation of hostilities IN Israel.

Stephen M. Schwebel – Judge of International Court of Justice The state of the law has been correctly summarized by Elihu Lauterpacht

territorial change cannot properly take place as a result of the unlawful use of force. But to omit the word “unlawful” is to change the substantive content of the rule and to turn an important safeguard of legal principle into an aggressor’s charter. For if force can never be used to effect lawful territory change, then, if territory has once changed hands as a result of the unlawful use of force, the illegitimacy of the position thus established is sterilized by the prohibition upon the use of force to restore the lawful sovereign.

In the Yom Kippur war, Syria had a right to attempt to restore it’s Sovereign territory, the Golan.

Shabtai Rosen – Professor of international law at Bar Ilan University “(a) Shortly after the signing of the Israel-Egyptian agreement, early in March. 1949, Israeli forces advanced south to the littoral into the area allocated to the Jewish State: in General Assembly resolution l8l (II) of 29 November 1947“

If it was not sovereign to Israel in 1948, not recognized by any member of the International Community of Nations and has never been legally annexed to Israel, it is, quite simply, NOT Israeli territory. It is not Israel’s to sell, lease or dispose of in any manner what so ever. It is ILLEGAL under International Law. People who break International Law are not going to care about you or your investment. You are serving the purpose of achieving a Greater Israel, illegally. Should International Law ever be enforced, by the withdrawal of the US UNSC veto vote, Israel could find itself forced to withdraw to it’s actual sovereign territory, leaving you and your investment in Palestine.

By all means invest in Israel. Just make sure it is IN Israel.

June 8, 2010

More BULLSHITE for Israel. Helen Thomas did not say ‘Jews’. The reporter did.

Filed under: The lies they willingly tell — talknic @ 7:48 pm


The Ziofier strikes again. Hundreds of thousands become deaf in one foul (sic) swoop.

Helen Thomas was asked about “ISRAEL”. She was answering THAT question.

The reporter is the person who said “Jews”.

Are you also deaf? Do the test : See if you’ve been Ziofied like the Rabbi who should, at the very least, know that lying is against the basic tenets of Judaism.

June 7, 2010

AMAZING Mavi Marmara “weapons cache” discovery! A few suspect knives and slingshots.


(Adding information as the IDF story unfolds (sic) ) It is unfolding, in fact it’s falling to pieces.

06/04/2010 06:13 “the group they were facing was well-trained and likely ex-military after the commandos threw a number of stun grenades and fired warning shots before rappelling down onto the deck. “They didn’t even flinch,” he said. “Regular people would move.” “


Weird Paintball gun!


On careful reading, Israel was within it’s rights to intercept. San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

However the nature of the intercept begs a few questions and the Israeli justifications are as full of holes as they are bizarre.

The Israeli’s claim the rappelling personnel wore asbestos gloves, making it impossible to use their weapons. Never heard of asbestos gloves in rappelling. One needs to be able to feel the rope, a light LEATHER glove is sometimes used so that the rope can be felt through the glove. Most folk’ll tell you it’s better to have full feel of the rope, no gloves at all. ( your life is in your hands, if you can’t feel the rope, it’s dangerous )

The rappelling rope passes through a figure 8 or belay device. A figure 8 twists the rope, because of the ‘lay’ of the internal fibres, eventually forming kinks/knots, same as an electrical extension cord develops knots when not rolled up using the ‘under over’ method

Modern military rappells on a rope usually use a belaying Device (BDs). Small, light weight, can be easily released, does not twist the rope, requires minimal hand pressure. I’ve used BDs & figure 8 AND taken photos/video, mid air, using my free hand and I’m no expert. In fact not at all fond of swing around on a rope mid air.

However looking closely at the video available, it seems they’re using a ‘silk’ rather than a rope as it varies in thickness. A ‘silk’ is a long length of cloth used by circus and burlesque performers.

The NY Times reports that the use of plastic/rubber bullets was planned and WERE fired from above.. “The crack of an Israeli sound grenade and a hail of rubber bullets from above were supposed to disperse activists, but instead set them in motion. ”

So again it seems the Israeli bullshit vendors have been busy at work..LYING….. again! One needs to double check ANYTHING put out by Israel concerning the Palestinians. They LIE and LIE and LIE again.

The some of the weapons seized – life threatening pepper spray Personal Pak

Giant knife :-) What a cutie. No doubt sharper but not as efficient as a bullet fired from out of the tiny knife’s reach

Israeli Govt website tries to show an alleged “Weapons Cache”
ShipBoard TOOLS
For the most part, they look like tools found on any ship. An axe is a tool on a ship. They’re in EVERY fire cabinet. A knife is a tool on a ship. Every sailor has one. The galley has heaps of knives. A hammer is a tool on a ship. So is a spanner. All ships carry sticks, (wood), broom handles, steel rods and pipes, ropes, cables, chain, angle grinders. It’s quite NORMAL ON A SHIP…FFS!! When you’re at sea you cannot just call into a hardware store.

The “weapons cache” seems to be nothing more than a few suspect knives and sling shots and

a ceremonial dagger used by the Imam in prayer meetings. Photo by a passenger, PRIOR to the intercept? Unless of course the IDF made him pose…Likely? No! Forgery? Looks like it

More on the dagger – cloning around for Israel

More Israeli BULLSHIT… From the Israeli Government web site “Flotilla leaders stated violence was premeditated”

What was QUOTED and what was actually said “We will definitely resist and we will not allow the Israelis to enter here.”….actually….“If Israel wants to board this ship, it will meet strong resistance. “

Hasn’t Israel ever heard of passive resistance and why does Israel need to lie?

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June 5, 2010

Faking it for Israel…(again). Pathetic propaganda 101. Alleged remarks from the Mavi Marmara


This has become a bit of a work in progress, as info is released. Last reviewed 5th July 2010 See also reviews in comments See Review 1

Samples taken from Haaretz
Audio conversion for analysis 44100 16bit wav mono
Samples taken from regions shown right bottom corner of the pics.
The analyzed wav file is 31.5 Mb. No I am not going to convert it to anything lower quality and/or upload it.

When I first started I said “Unless other information is made available, it seems likely to be another absolutely PATHETIC attempt at propaganda by some LYING IDF schmuck (who hasn’t got a clue about faking audio)”. The IDF have since released the alleged un-edited version of events. More ‘explanations’ = more ‘revelations’ (cute word, I think I’ll use it :-)

The IDF have patched together variety of transmits, designed to give the impression they were calling the Mavi Marmara. Yet NONE of the released transmits can be accurately attributed to either a call to the Mavi Marmara or from the Mavi Marmara

Rev 1
Revelations 1 : – All transmits from this ship should have the same transmit sound between words. (see earlier postings)
Rev 1 Defne Y, Defne Y, this Israeli navy warship calling you on channel 1 6 do you read me?”

Rev 1The Defne Y call sign will have it’s allocated call frequency recorded somewhere. It’s NOT the Mavi Marmara!

Revelations 2: – “..have had their good dayevening, sirr are you ready to invite us on board or not yet?”

Revelations 3 : – Note the transmission noise between words on this transmit……

…..compared to
Revelations 3 : transmit…..

These must be transmits on an intercept, from a different IDF vessel and a different Activist Vessel, not the Defne Y.

Revelations 4 : – Activist Vessel reply : “no not yet, we have Rev 1 ??change over a saddle board ?? minutes to 15 minutes time “

Revelations 5 : – Israeli Navy reply : “That’s good your stairs, that’s fine about that you have one off, time when you will should be stand by along aside the gangway with his lugguage and the passport after first the Rev 1 pilot will be come board, Ok?”

We know it was a large vessel, needing a ‘staired’ gangway.

However, the navy signal noise is not the same as that for the initial navy Defne Y, Defne Y call on the released transmits. and it’s a friendly boarding, with pilot and letting a passenger off!!


A) the IDF first releases a false accusation, purposefully edited to give the impression the transmission came from the Mavi Marmara. They claim it came from a ‘passenger’ of the Mavi Marmara. They know the inflammatory alleged statements will spread like wildfire (it is still spreading un-corrected) and these remarkably clear transmits will bolster their claim that the activists on the Mavi Marmara were aggressive. It’s PROPAGANDA.

B) the IDF releases an alleged unedited version of alleged transmits, in order to prove their ‘material’ is genuine, at the same time admitting their ‘claim’ of the origins is inaccurate.

C) the other transmits from activist vessels are cordial, all have interference and in places are almost un-intelligible

D) All the other vessel radio transmits are full of interference. Isn’t it AMAZING, that the derogatory remarks, are SO CLEAR? Clearer than anything else transmitted and with a different transmit noise from all the others. Almost as if they’ve been purposefully recorded and inserted.

E) the IDF has yet to explain how exceptionally clear onboard communications from passengers, got onto a maritime channel. Fact is, THEY CAN’T. An open channel would be totally flooded, rendered inoperable, an impossible mess. The IDF open channel is an open MARITIME channel, for vessel transmissions. Onboard communications are not on a maritime band.

Conclusion. The IDF proof does not ‘prove’ anything other than the now confirmed fact – their alleged material was edited to give the impression it came from the Mavi Marmara.

Link to this section

Earlier postings analyzing the first alleged transmits same methods/sample rates.

IDF video shows flotilla passengers tell Israel Navy to ‘go back to Auschwitz’ screams the Haaretz headline……Published 23:28 04.06.10

“Army releases audio recording of exchange between Israel Navy ships and passengers on the Mavi Marmara, the central ship of a Gaza aid flotilla raided by Israel on Monday”

It’s doubtful the messages came from the one ship’s radio, a spectrum analysis of the transmission ‘white’noise, i.e., taken from the small gaps of silence BETWEEN their words, shows three different levels of transmission ‘white’noise, with three very different frequency ranges. Furthermore, onboard/passenger communications are completely separated from a ships transmits. Completely different radio communications systems, band, frequencies.

“We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority…”

(alleged) “Go back to Austwitz”

(alleged) “We’re helping Arabs…”

Gap between words “We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority…”

Gap between (alleged) words “Go back to Austwitz”

Gap between (alleged) “We’re helping Arabs…”

Note the difference in the end of transmission noise. Frequencies different..
(alleged) “Go back to Austwitz “ – end of transmission

(alleged) “We’re helping Arabs…” – end of transmission

Unless other information is made available, it seems likely to be another absolutely PATHETIC attempt at propaganda by some LYING IDF schmuck (who hasn’t got a clue about faking audio)…See Review 1

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March 28, 2010

Petra Marquardt-Bigman purposefully misses the point, on behalf of Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians.

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s a territory of the non-state entity of Palestine…

Petra Marquardt-Bigman typifies the insanity that has caused 62 years of grief for the people of Palestine.

From the Guardian’s CiF 28 Mar 2010 Obama’s other difficult partners

Ms Bigman asks

“Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu is presently seen as the chief obstacle to Middle East peace, but what of the Arab League?”

What of them? All they ask is that Israel abide by the law. The Arab League are not illegally acquiring territory. They’ve not illegally annexed anyone else’s territory. They’re not illegally instituting their civil law in illegally annexed “terriories occupied”. They’re not illegally building illegal civilian infrastructure for illegal settlers in illegally acquired and “territories occupied”. They’re not illegally selling land and illegally built homes for illegal settlers in “territories occupied”. They’re not holding any one else’s territory but their own. The territory they claim as rightfully theirs, has been acknowledged as rightfully theirs.

On the other hand, for the last 62 years Israel has and still is illegally acquiring other folk’s territories, ignoring International law and numerous UNSC resolutions. Yet Ms Bigman completely misses this disturbing and significant fact. So too the word ‘illegal‘. In order to justify her stance and point the finger every which way, it is simply is not allowed to enter the equation. The elephant cannot be acknowledged.

Having deleted the reason the US is currently asking Israel to uphold the law. Having completely ignored the reason that the Palestinians refuse to negotiate is because the elephant is still crapping on the carpet while saying it wants to negotiate without pre-conditions, except of course, the pre-condition to be allowed to keep crapping on the carpet and deny that it is.

Having completely missed the point in it’s entirety, Ms Bigman is like someone watching television from the back, with the power cord pulled from the socket, desperately trying to relate some sort of story to her readers, in order to shift the blame for all the elephant crap.

The crux of her finger pointing everywhere and anywhere but at the crapping elephant, is perhaps condensed into her final desperate attempt to skirt around the elephant.

“For their part, the Saudis and other Arab leaders seem content to look at the Arab Peace initiative as a “take-it-or-leave-it” proposition. As Prince Saud al-Faisal argued in an interview last year:”

“What can we do more than that? The land that is occupied is in the hands of Israel. We don’t have anything to offer Israel except normalization, and if we put that before the return of Arab land we are giving away the only chip in the hands of Arab countries.”

“The obvious problem with this argument is that, from Israel’s vantage point, it means that Israel is expected to give up land, and then hope that it will indeed get peace in return. It sure didn’t work out this way when Israel withdrew from Lebanon 10 years ago, or from Gaza five years ago. President Obama’s initial approach, which envisaged reciprocal confidence-building measures, was exactly what was needed; it is deplorable that there was no Arab support for his initiative.”

Her justification, while ignoring the stench of elephant poo, the fact that the Arabs States and the Palestinians actually do not have anything of Israel’s, is a concern that: after having cleansed the illegal settlers and their IDF body guards from “territories occupied” in Gaza. After having illegally had years use of free land, free water and cheap labour, while millions of dollars went into the pockets of illegal settlers and the fact that Israel is still illegally acquiring Palestinian territory, peace might not follow Israel’s withdrawal.

“Israel is expected to give up land, and then hope that it will indeed get peace in return. It sure didn’t work out this way when Israel withdrew from Lebanon 10 years ago, or from Gaza five years ago.”

A) Israel is not expected to ‘give’ anything. It is quite simply not Israel’s to give. Israel is expected to abide by the law

B) Israel still held Lebanese territory, (still claims Syrian territory).

C) Israel STILL occupies Gaza and the West Bank, still illegally claims 50% of the Palestinian’s rightful territories.

Of course it didn’t work Ms Bigman. Since 14th May 1948, Israel has been outside of it’s legitimate acknowledged boundaries. Claiming someone else’s territory. But let’s look at where Israel HAS stopped illegally claiming other folk’s territories.

Having skirted around and around, under and over the elephant, deaf to it’s trumpeting and blind to the dung she is treading into the carpet, Ms Bigman is as oblivious to it as she is to the fact that when Israel did withdraw from Egypt and Jordan, two of Israel’s deadly enemies. Who both objected to partition, who both fought wars with Israel over the Palestinian territories…




January 29, 2010

A comparison of UN speeches Netinyahu / Ahmadjinedad. Lies and Fear vs Common Sense!

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s a territory of Palestine…

There are 36 lies in Netinyahu's speech. Numerous straw man arguments. It ignores International Law. In it's entirety it is a virtual repeat of the last 62 years of Zionist fallacies and fear mongering, indoctrinated, propaganda.

ShortLink (including full commentary)
Netanyahu's speech at the UN General Assembly 24th September 2009 - full text

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen, nearly 62 years ago, the United Nations recognized the right of the Jews, an ancient people 3,500 years-old, to a state of their own in their ancestral homeland. I stand here today as the Prime Minister of Israel, the Jewish state, and I speak to you on behalf of my country and my people. The United Nations was founded after the carnage of World War II and the horrors of the Holocaust. It was charged with preventing the recurrence of such horrendous events. Nothing has undermined that central mission more than the systematic assault on the truth. 1

Yesterday the President of Iran stood at this very podium, spewing his latest anti-Semitic rants. Just a few days earlier, he again claimed that the Holocaust is a lie. 2

Last month, I went to a villa in a suburb of Berlin called Wannsee. There, on January 20, 1942, after a hearty meal, senior Nazi officials met and decided how to exterminate the Jewish people. The detailed minutes of that meeting have been preserved by successive German governments. Here is a copy of those minutes, in which the Nazis issued precise instructions on how to carry out the extermination of the Jews. Is this a lie? A day before I was in Wannsee, I was given in Berlin the original construction plans for the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. Those plans are signed by Hitler?s deputy, Heinrich Himmler himself. Here is a copy of the plans for Auschwitz-Birkenau, where one million Jews were murdered. Is this too a lie? This June, President Obama visited the Buchenwald concentration camp. Did President Obama pay tribute to a lie? And what of the Auschwitz survivors whose arms still bear the tattooed numbers branded on them by the Nazis? Are those tattoos a lie? One-third of all Jews perished in the conflagration. Nearly every Jewish family was affected, including my own. My wife's grandparents, her father?s two sisters and three brothers, and all the aunts, uncles and cousins were all murdered by the Nazis. Is that also a lie?

( The above straw man argument is based on the belief that Ahmadjinidad denied the Holocaust. He actually asked why, if the Holocaust took place in Europe, are the Palestinians were paying for it. That is indeed a myth of the Holocaust. Having laid a bed of straw, Netinyahu goes on... )

Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium. To those who refused to come here and to those who left this room in protest, I commend you. You stood up for moral clarity and you brought honor to your countries. But to those who gave this Holocaust-denier a hearing, I say on behalf of my people, the Jewish people, and decent people everywhere: Have you no shame? Have you no decency?

A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies that the murder of six million Jews took place and pledges to wipe out the Jewish state. ( Predicted the Zionist regime in Jerusalem would end ) 3

What a disgrace! What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations. 4

Perhaps some of you think that this man and his odious regime threaten only the Jews. You're wrong. History has shown us time and again that what starts with attacks on the Jews eventually ends up engulfing many others. 5 / 6

This Iranian regime is fueled by an extreme fundamentalism that burst onto the world scene three decades ago after lying dormant for centuries. In the past thirty years, this fanaticism has swept the globe with a murderous violence and cold-blooded impartiality in its choice of victims. It has callously slaughtered Moslems and Christians, Jews and Hindus, and many others. Though it is comprised of different offshoots, the adherents of this unforgiving creed seek to return humanity to medieval times. 7 Wherever they can, they impose a backward regimented society where women, minorities, gays or anyone not deemed to be a true believer is brutally subjugated. 8

The struggle against this fanaticism does not pit faith against faith nor civilization against civilization. It pits civilization against barbarism, the 21st century against the 9th century, those who sanctify life against those who glorify death. 9

The primitivism of the 9th century ought to be no match for the progress of the 21st century. The allure of freedom, the power of technology, the reach of communications should surely win the day. Ultimately, the past cannot triumph over the future. And the future offers all nations magnificent bounties of hope. The pace of progress is growing exponentially. It took us centuries to get from the printing press to the telephone, decades to get from the telephone to the personal computer, and only a few years to get from the personal computer to the internet. What seemed impossible a few years ago is already outdated, and we can scarcely fathom the changes that are yet to come. We will crack the genetic code. We will cure the incurable. We will lengthen our lives. We will find a cheap alternative to fossil fuels and clean up the planet. I am proud that my country Israel is at the forefront of these advances, by leading innovations in science and technology, medicine and biology, agriculture and water, energy and the environment. These innovations the world over offer humanity a sunlit future of unimagined promise 10

But if the most primitive fanaticism can acquire the most deadly weapons, the march of history could be reversed for a time. And like the belated victory over the Nazis, the forces of progress and freedom will prevail only after an horrific toll of blood and fortune has been exacted from mankind. That is why the greatest threat facing the world today is the marriage between religious fanaticism and the weapons of mass destruction. 11

The most urgent challenge facing this body is to prevent the tyrants of Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Are the member states of the United Nations up to that challenge? Will the international community confront a despotism that terrorizes its own people as they bravely stand up for freedom? Will it take action against the dictators who stole an election in broad daylight and gunned down Iranian protesters who died in the streets choking in their own blood? 12

Will the international community thwart the world's most pernicious sponsors and practitioners of terrorism? 13

Above all, will the international community stop the terrorist regime of Iran from developing atomic weapons, thereby endangering the peace of the entire world? 14

The people of Iran are courageously standing up to this regime. People of goodwill around the world stand with them, as do the thousands who have been protesting outside this hall. Will the United Nations stand by their side?

Ladies and Gentlemen, the jury is still out on the United Nations, and recent signs are not encouraging. Rather than condemning the terrorists and their Iranian patrons, some here have condemned their victims. That is exactly what a recent UN report on Gaza did, falsely equating the terrorists with those they targeted. 15

For eight long years, Hamas fired from Gaza thousands of missiles, mortars and rockets on nearby Israeli cities. 16

Year after year, as these missiles were deliberately hurled at our civilians, not a single UN resolution was passed condemning those criminal attacks. 17 We heard nothing, absolutely nothing, from the UN Human Rights Council, a misnamed institution if there ever was one. 18

In 2005, hoping to advance peace, Israel unilaterally withdrew from every inch of Gaza. 19 It dismantled 21 settlements 20 and uprooted over 8,000 Israelis. We didn't get peace. Instead we got an Iranian backed terror base fifty miles from Tel Aviv. Life in Israeli towns and cities next to Gaza became a nightmare. 21

You see, the Hamas rocket attacks not only continued, they increased tenfold. Again, the UN was silent 22

Finally, after eight years of this unremitting assault, Israel was finally forced to respond. 23 Israel chose to respond differently. Faced with an enemy committing a double war crime of firing on civilians while hiding behind civilians, Israel sought to conduct surgical strikes against the rocket launchers. That was no easy task because the terrorists were firing missiles from homes and schools, using mosques as weapons depots and ferreting explosives in ambulances. Israel, by contrast, tried to minimize casualties by urging Palestinian civilians to vacate the targeted areas. We dropped countless flyers over their homes, sent thousands of text messages and called thousands of cell phones asking people to leave. Never has a country gone to such extraordinary lengths to remove the enemy's civilian population from harm's way. 24

Yet faced with such a clear case of aggressor and victim, who did the UN Human Rights Council decide to condemn? Israel. A democracy legitimately defending itself against terror is morally hanged, drawn and quartered, and given an unfair trial to boot. By these twisted standards, the UN Human Rights Council would have dragged Roosevelt and Churchill to the dock as war criminals. What a perversion of truth. What a perversion of justice. 25

Delegates of the United Nations, Will you accept this farce? Because if you do, the United Nations would revert to its darkest days, when the worst violators of human rights sat in judgment against the law-abiding democracies.... 26 ....when Zionism was equated with racism and when an automatic majority could declare that the earth is flat. 27t If this body does not reject this report, it would send a message to terrorists everywhere: Terror pays; if you launch your attacks from densely populated areas, you will win immunity. And in condemning Israel, this body would also deal a mortal blow to peace. 28 Here's why. When Israel left Gaza, many hoped that the missile attacks would stop. Others believed that at the very least, Israel would have international legitimacy to exercise its right of self-defense. What legitimacy? What self-defense? 29

The same UN that cheered Israel as it left Gaza and promised to back our right of self-defense now accuses us, my people, my country of war crimes? And for what? For acting responsibly in self-defense. What a travesty! 30 Israel justly defended itself against terror. This biased and unjust report is a clear-cut test for all governments. Will you stand with Israel or will you stand with the terrorists? We must know the answer to that question now. Now and not later. Because if Israel is again asked to take more risks for peace, we must know today that you will stand with us tomorrow. Only if we have the confidence that we can defend ourselves can we take further risks for peace. 31 Ladies and Gentlemen, All of Israel wants peace. Any time an Arab leader genuinely wanted peace with us, we made peace. We made peace with Egypt led by Anwar Sadat. 32 We made peace with Jordan led by King Hussein. 33 And if the Palestinians truly want peace, I and my government, and the people of Israel, will make peace. But we want a genuine peace, a defensible peace, a permanent peace. In 1947, this body voted to establish two states for two peoples, a Jewish state and an Arab state. 34

The Jews accepted that resolution. ( and the borders it recommended ) The Arabs rejected it. We ask the Palestinians to finally do what they have refused to do for 62 years. Say yes to a Jewish state. Just as we are asked to recognize a nation-state for the Palestinian people, the Palestinians must be asked to recognize the nation state of the Jewish people. ( There is no legal requirement ) The Jewish people are not foreign conquerors in the Land of Israel. 35 This is the land of our forefathers. ( It is also the land of other peoples' forefathers ) Inscribed on the walls outside this building is the great Biblical vision of peace: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation. They shall learn war no more." These words were spoken by the Jewish prophet Isaiah 2,800 years ago as he walked in my country, in my city, in the hills of Judea and in the streets of Jerusalem.

We are not strangers to this land. It is our homeland. As deeply connected as we are to this land, we recognize that the Palestinians also live there and want a home of their own. We want to live side by side with them, two free peoples living in peace, prosperity and dignity. 36 But we must have security. The Palestinians should have all the powers to govern themselves except those handful of powers that could endanger Israel. ( They'd be nothing more than a protectorate ) That is why a Palestinian state must be effectively demilitarized. We don't want another Gaza, another Iranian backed terror base abutting Jerusalem and perched on the hills a few kilometers from Tel Aviv. ( Why are Hamas using home made Qassams, antiquated small arms and simple mortars and the occasional RUSSIAN made Grad? ) We want peace. I believe such a peace can be achieved. But only if we roll back the forces of terror, led by Iran, that seek to destroy peace, eliminate Israel and overthrow the world order. The question facing the international community is whether it is prepared to confront those forces or accommodate them. Over seventy years ago, Winston Churchill lamented what he called the "confirmed unteachability of mankind," the unfortunate habit of civilized societies to sleep until danger nearly overtakes them. Churchill bemoaned what he called the "want of foresight, the unwillingness to act when action will be simple and effective, the lack of clear thinking, the confusion of counsel until emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong." I speak here today in the hope that Churchill's assessment of the "unteachibility of mankind" is for once proven wrong. I speak here today in the hope that we can learn from history -- that we can prevent danger in time.

In the spirit of the timeless words spoken to Joshua over 3,000 years ago, let us be strong and of good courage. Let us confront this peril, secure our future and, God willing, forge an enduring peace for generations to come.

Commentary : Israel
When a country believes it's own propaganda, it's in deep shite! 'Rockets target Israeli cities in Southern Israel' blare the headlines. Yet Israel has never annexed ANY of the territories it illegally acquired by war by 1949, North or South. Netinyahu must surely know which territories the state of Israel has annexed!

So what exactly is he talking about? What Israel has illegally taken. That which is not it's own!

Illegally acquired territory in the north, never legally annexed
illegally acquired territory in the north, never annexed
Illegally acquired territory in the south, never annexed
illegally acquired territory in the south, never annexed

And of course East Jerusalem, NOT legally annexed.

Commentary : Iran
I cannot put up a map for all the territory Iran has taken in the last 62 years and although Iran no doubt supports it's Muslim brothers in their struggles and although it was a bit long winded and had religious over tones, Ahmadjinedad's speech contains no spite, hatred or more importantly, fearmongering!

Apart from the religious aspects and a little exaggeration on Iran's behalf, I can find nothing dis-agreeable, threatening or Antisemitic and unlike Netinyahu's speech, there are no lies. The West HAS interfered in the M East for over a century, the US for at least 50 years. We were taught (in Australia) to be proud of the British efforts in the M East in school. It was all good for the British Commonwealth.

ShortLink (including full commentary)

Ahmadinejad's Speech at the UN General Assembly 23rd September 2009 - full text

In the name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful All praise Be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe and peace and blessing be upon our Master and prophet Mohammad and his pure household and his noble Companions. Oh, god, hasten the arrival of Imam Al- Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those who attest to his rightfulness. (see below for his expansion of what is meant by 'the arrival of Imam Al- Mahdi'

President, dear Colleagues, Ladies and gentlemen, I thank the Almighty God for granting me once again, the opportunity to address this important International forum. I wish at the outset, to begin by congratulating you for having assumed the presidency of the 64th Session of the UN General Assembly and wish every the success for your efforts. I also extend my thanks to His Excellency Mr. Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, President of the 63rd Session of the General Assembly, for his excellent stewardship of the work of the General Assembly during his term.

Dear Colleagues, over the past four years I have spoken about the main challenges facing our world. I have discussed the roots and underlying causes of these challenges and the need for world powers to review their outlook and workout new mechanisms to address the pressing International problems before us. I have talked about the two conflicting outlooks prevailing in our world, one that is based on the predominance of its materialistic interests, through spreading inequality and oppression, poverty and deprivation, aggression, occupation and deception and tends to bring the entire world under its control and impose its will on other nations. This outlook has produced nothing but frustration, disappointment and a dark future for the entire humanity.

The other outlook is the one that spouses with the belief in the oneness of the Almighty God, follows the teaching of His messengers, respects human dignity and seeks to build a secure world for all members of the human community, in which everybody can equally enjoy the blessings of sustainable peace and spirituality. This latter is an outlook that respects all human beings, nations, and valuable cultures in defiance of all types of discrimination in the world and commits itself into a constant fight to promote equality for all before the law on the basis of justice and fraternity, laying a solid foundation to guarantee equal access for all human beings in their quest to excel in knowledge and in science. I have laid emphasis time and again on the need to make fundamental changes in the current outlook towards the world and the human being in order to be able to create a brighter tomorrow.

Friends and Colleagues. Today, I wish to share with you a few points about the changes that should take place.

First. Clearly, the continuation of the current circumstances in the world is impossible. The current inequitable and unfavorable conditions run counter to the very nature of human kind and move in a direction which contravenes the truth and the goal behind the creation of the world. It is no longer possible to inject thousands of billions of dollars of unreal wealth to the world economy, simply by printing worthless paper assets, or transferring inflation as well as social and economic problems to others through creating severe budget deficits. The engine of unbridled capitalism with its unfair system of thought has reached the end of road and is unable to move. The era of capitalist thinking and the imposition of one's thoughts on the international community, intended to predominate the world in the name of globalization and the age of setting up empires is over. It is no longer possible to humiliate nations and impose double standard policies on the world community.

It is necessary to de-legitimize and reject any approach which give the realization of the interests of certain powers as the only measurement of democracy and uses despicable forces of intimidation and deceit under the mantle of freedom or democratic practice and approaches that allow dictators to be portrayed as democrats lack legitimacy and should be rejected. The time has come to an end for those who define democracy and freedom and set standards while they themselves are the first who violate its fundamental principles. They can no longer be both in fact the judge and the executor and (they?) challenge the real democratically established governments. So I would like to say again, the time has come for a group of people who believe that they alone can define concepts such as democracy and freedom and hold up the criteria for these definitions while simultaneously violating the very principles to which they aspire. Governments can continue which are based on the rule of people.

The awakening of nations and the expansion of freedom worldwide will no longer allow others to continue their hypocrisy and vicious attitudes. Because of these reasons, most nations including the people of the Untied States, are waiting for real and profound changes. They have welcomed and will continue to welcome changes.

How can one imagine that the inhuman policies in Palestine may continue to force the entire population of a country out of their homeland for more than 60 years by resorting to force and coercion. To attack them with all types of arms and at times even prohibited weapons. To deny them of their legitimate right of self-defense, while much to the surprise of the international community calling the occupiers peace lovers and portraying the victims as terrorists. How can the crimes of the occupiers against defenseless women and children and destruction of their homes, farms, hospitals and schools be supported unconditionally by certain governments and at the same time, the oppressed men and women be subject to the heaviest economic blockade which denies their basic needs, food, water and medicine and leads to genocide. They are not allowed to rebuild their homes even which were destroyed during the 22-day barbaric attacks by the Zionist regime, as winter was approaching. Whereas the aggressors and their supporters deceitfully continue their rhetoric in defense of human rights, in order to put others under pressure.

It is un-acceptable that a small minority should dominate the politics, economy and culture of vast parts of the world a complicated complicated network and establish a new form of slavery and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the United States to attain its racist ambitions. It is not acceptable that some who are several thousands of kilometers away from the Middle East would send their troops for military intervention and for spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the Middle East, in our region, while blaming the protests of nations in the region, that are concerned about their fate and their national security, as a move against peace and as interference in others' affairs.

Such perspectives are baffling, look at the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is no longer possible to bring a country under military occupation in the name of fight against terrorism or drug trafficking while the production of illicit drugs has multiplied, terrorism has widened its dimensions and has tightened its grips. Thousands of innocent people have been killed, injured or displaced, infrastructures have been destroyed and regional security has been seriously jeopardized and those who have created the current disastrous situation continue to blame others. How you can speak of friendship and solidarity with other nations while you expand your military bases in different parts of the world including in Latin America. This situation cannot continue. It is all the more impossible to advance expansionist and inhuman policies on the basis of a militaristic logic. The logic of coercion and intimidation will produce dire consequences, exacerbating the present global problems.

It is not acceptable that the military budget of some governments exceeds far larger (than) those of the entire countries of the world. There are those who export billions of dollars of arms annually, stockpile chemical and biological weapons, as well as nuclear Weapons. Establish military bases or have military presence in other countries while accusing others of militarism and mobilize all their resources in the world to impede the scientific and technological progress of other nations under the pretext of countering arms proliferation. It is not acceptable that the United Nations and the Security Council, whose decisions should represent all nations and governments through applying democratic measures of decision making, popular methods of decision making, be dominated by a few governments who seek to serve their own interests. Principally in a world where cultures, thoughts and public opinion should be the determining factors. The continuation of the present situation is impossible, and fundamental changes seem to be unavoidable. We seek to establish a new system. A new world system.

Second. Any change must be structural, theoretical and practical, involving all domains of life. Outdated mechanisms which themselves were instrumental in and the root cause for present problems in human societies, can never be used to bring change and create our desired world. Liberalism and capitalism, especially of the nature that seeks to dominate the world and alienates human beings from heavenly and moral values will never bring happiness for humanity, because they are the main source of all misfortune, wars, poverty and deprivation.

We have all seen that the inequitable economic structures controlled by certain political interest groups were used to plunder national wealth of countries simply for the benefit of a group of corrupt businesses. Present structures therefore are incapable of reforming the challenges before us. The political and economic structures created after World War II that were based on intentions to dominate the world, in brief, failed to promote justice and lasting security. Rulers whose hearts do not beat for the love of humankind and who sacrificed the spirit of justice in their minds never can offer the promise of peace and friendship to humanity. By the grace of God, Marxism is gone. It is now history and the unhindered expansion Capitalism too will certainly have the same fate. Because based on the divine traditions referred to as a principle in the Holy Quran, the wrong like the bubbles on the surface of water and will disappear. There remains only what that can be used forever towards the interest of human societies. We must therefore all remain vigilant to prevent the pursuit of colonialism, discriminatory and inhuman goals under the pretext of the slogans for change or and in new formats. The world needs to undergo fundamental changes and all must engage collectively to make them happen in the right way and through such efforts no one and no government would consider itself an exception to change or superior to others and try to impose its will on others by proclaiming world leadership.

Third. All problems that exist in our world today emanate from the fact that rulers have distanced themselves from human values, morality and the teachings of divine messengers. Regrettably, in the current state of international relations, selfishness and insatiable greed have taken the place of such humanitarian concepts as love, sacrifice, dignity and justice. The belief in the One God has been replaced with self belief. Some have taken the place of God and insist to impose their values and wishes on others. Lies have taken the place of honesty, hypocrisy has replaced integrity and selfishness has taken the place of sacrifice. Deception in interactions is called foresight these days and statesmanship. Looting the wealth of other nations is called development efforts, occupation is introduced as a gift towards promotion of freedom and democracy, and defenseless nations are subjected to repression in the name of defending human rights.

Friends and Colleagues. The resolution of global problems and administration of justice and maintenance of peace will only be materialized with collective determination and cooperation of all nations and states. The time to polarizing the world on the premises of the hegemony or domination of a few governments is over. Today we must rise together in a collective commitment against the present challenges, we must take change seriously and help others through collective work to return to basic moral and human values.

Messengers were sent by God to show the light of the truth to mankind, they came to make people aware of their individual and social obligations. Piety, having faith in Allah and its judgment of human behavior in the next world, in the belief in the primacy of justice in both lives, seeking one's happiness, well being and security in the happiness, well-being and security of others, respecting human kind, making efforts to expand love and compassion against hostility, were all on top of the teachings offered by the Messengers of God, his divine messengers from Adam to Noah, from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ and the last Prophet Mohammad, may peace be upon all of them. All of them came to eliminate war and ignorance, to eradicate poverty and uproot discrimination in order to spread happiness in the entire world. They are the best gifts that God Almighty has granted to human beings. If the belief in Entezar or, in other words, awaiting patiently for justice to return to earth, will turn into a common goal and we join hands to achieve prosperity for all, then there will be more real and increasing hope for reform.

Fourth. In my opinion, we have several important agendas in front of us. The Secretary-General and the UN General Assembly can take the lead by undertaking necessary measures for the fulfillment of our shared goals on the basis of the following:
1 - Restructuring the United Nations in order to transform this world body to an efficient and fully democratic organization, capable of playing an impartial, equitable, and effective role in international relations, reforming the structure of the Security Council, specially by abolishing the discriminatory privilege of veto right, restoration of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people by organizing a referendum and free elections in Palestine in order to prepare a conducive environment for all Palestinian populations, including Muslims, Christians and Jews to live together in peace and harmony, putting an end to all types of interferences in the affairs of Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East, and in all countries in Africa, Latin America, Asia and Europe.

My friends, as our great Prophet said, a government may survive with blasphemy, but never with oppression. Oppression against Palestinians and the violation of their rights still continue. A new group of Palestinians who lived in al-Qod al-Sharif were again forced out of their homes as the destruction of their residential homes continues by the occupiers and usurpers. Bombings in Afghanistan and Pakistan have not yet stopped and the Guantanamo Prison has not yet been shut down and, there are still secret prisons in Europe.

Continuation of the present situation adds to hostilities and violence. Oppression and military aggression must be stopped. Regrettably, official reports concerning the brutalities of the Zionist regime in Gaza have not all been completely published. The Secretary-General and the United Nations have crucial responsibilities in this respect and the international community is impatiently waiting for the punishment of the aggressors and the murderers of the defenseless people of Gaza.

2- Reforming the current economic structures and setting up a new international economic order based on human and moral values and obligations. A new course is needed in fact that would help promote justice and progress worldwide, by flourishing the potentials and talents of all nations, thus bringing well-being for all and for future generations.
3- Reforming the international political relations based on the promotion of lasting peace and friendship, eradication of arms race and elimination of all nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. To pave the way for all nations to have access to advanced and peaceful technologies for the advancement of human beings.
4- Reforming cultural structures, respect for diverse customs and traditions of all nations, fostering moral values and spirituality aimed at strengthening the institution of a warm family which is the backbone of all human societies.
5- Worldwide efforts to protect the environment and full observance of the international agreements and arrangements to prevent the annihilation of nature's non-renewable resources.

Fifth. Our nation has successfully gone through a glorious and fully democratic election, opening a new chapter for our country in the march towards national progress and enhanced international interactions. They entrusted me once more with a large majority, with this heavy responsibility. And now, I want to declare that our great nation that has made great contribution to the world civilization, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, as one of the most democratic and progressive governments in the world, is ready to mobilize all its cultural, political and economic capabilities to engage in a constructive process aimed at addressing the international concerns and challenges, and confronting the challenges that face human society.

Our country that builds cultures has been a main victim of terrorism itself, blind form terrorism and the target of an all-out military aggression during the first decade of it's revolution. All through the past thirty years we have been subject to hostile attitudes of those who once supported with all their might Saddam's military aggression and his use of chemical weapons against us and then, decided another day and time, to take military action in Iraq to get of the same man.

Today, our nation seeks to create a world in which justice and compassion prevail. We announce our commitment to participate in the process of building durable peace and security worldwide for all nations, based on based on justice, spirituality and human dignity, while being dedicated to strongly defending our legitimate and legal rights. To materialize these goals, our nation is prepared to warmly shake all those hands which are honestly extended to us. No nation can claim to be free from the need to change and reform in this journey towards perfectness. We welcome real and humane changes and stand ready to actively engage in fundamental global reforms.

Therefore, we emphasize that the only path to remain safe is to return to Monotheism and justice and this is the greatest hope and opportunity in all ages and generations. Without belief in God and commitment to the cause of justice and fight against injustice and discrimination, the world structure will not be corrected. Man is at the center of the universe. The man's unique feature is his humanity. The same feature which seeks justice, piety, love, knowledge, awareness and all other high values. These human values should be supported and each and every fellow human should be given the opportunity to acquire them. Neglecting any of them is tantamount to the omission of a constituting piece of humanity. These are common elements which connect all human communities and constitute the basis of peace, security and friendship.

The divine religions pay attention to all aspects of human life, including obedience to God, morality, justice, fighting oppression, and endeavor to establish just and good governance. The prophet Abraham called for the oneness of God against Nimrod, as Prophet Moses did the same against Pharaohs and Jesus Christ and Prophet Muhammad, may peace be upon them all, did against the oppressors of their own time. They were all threatened to death and were forced out of their homelands. Without resistance and objection, the injustices would not be removed from the face of earth.
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And the last point that I would like to make. Dear Friends and Colleagues, the world is in a continuous change and evolution. The promised destiny for mankind is the establishment of the humane pure life and this will come when justice is pervasive across the globe and every single human being will enjoy respect and dignity. That will be the time when mankind's path to moral and spiritual perfectness will be opened and his journey to God and the manifestation of God's divine names will come true. Mankind should excel to represent God's "knowledge and wisdom", His "compassion and benevolence", His "justice and fairness", His "power and art" and His "kindness and forgiveness". These will all come true under the rule of the Perfect Man, the last Divine Source on earth Hazrat Mahdi, Peace be upon him, an offspring of the Prophet of Islam, who will re-engage and Jesus Christ, Peace be upon him and other pious men will accompany him in the accomplishment of this grand universal mission. And this is the belief in Entezar, awaiting patiently for the Imam to return, waiting with patience for the rule of goodness and the governance of the best he promises. Which is a universal human notion and which is a source of nations' hope for the betterment of the world. They will come and with the help of righteous people and true believers will materialize the man's long-standing desires for freedom, perfectness, maturity and security and tranquility, peace and beauty. They will come to put an end to war and aggression and present the entire knowledge to the world as well as spirituality and friendship to the whole world. Yes. Indeed, the bright future for the mankind will come.

Friends. Dear Friends, in waiting for that brilliant time to come and in a collective commitment, let's make due contributions in paving the grounds and preparing the conditions for building that bright future. Long live love and spirituality, long live peace and security, long live justice and freedom. I thank you all.

January 28, 2010

Busy at the Fallacy Factory manufacturing lies and false accusations for Israel.

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, then it’s a part of the non-state entity of Palestine…


Labouring away at the fallacy factory. Making mud they hope will stick.

What is it that drives people like the despicable TomWonacott to make false accusations?

1st accusation : Classic victimization of the Palestinians justifying murder of Israeli civilians (isn’t the Goldstone report about targeting civilians?) was also a feature of the thread:

His evidence :

talknic19 6 Jan 2010, 2:25PM

( SouthLondon01 6 Jan 2010, 2:06PM “…The Israeli kids were killed on busses, in schools, restaurants and parks, quite deliberately, and absolutely becaue of their race.”)

Dispossession (sometimes twice), illegal acquisition of territory, illegal annexation, illegal settlements, bulldozing homes are a racial trait? Amazing.

2nd accusation : And then there are the supporters of the one-state solution:

His evidence :

talknic19 6 Jan 2010, 2:32PM

(toryzionist “Perhaps if palestinian leaders had genuinely offered to allow Jewish people to remain in 1947 instead of proclaiming how they would push them into the sea ..”)

?? Declaration on the Invasion of Palestine says: “The Governments of the Arab States emphasise, on this occasion, what they have already declared before the London Conference and the United Nations, that the only solution of the Palestine problem is the establishment of a unitary Palestinian State, in accordance with democratic principles, whereby its inhabitants will enjoy complete equality before the law, [and whereby] minorities will be assured of all the guarantees recognised in democratic constitutional countries, and [whereby] the holy places will be preserved and the right of access thereto guaranteed.” Democracy!! Equal rights!! How dare they!

Neither post fits the accusation, nor is there any Antisemitism. The accusations are pathetic attempts to spread false notions.

Another example The Olive Branch
The accusation :

(ItsikDeWembley » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:40 am “Some one named Talknic was doubting the Ahmedinajad was a foot soldier in the 80’s which performed many acts of war crimes (if you can say a war was hapening…)” )

Evidence? Fortunately the original posts have never been purged even though talknic was banned. I asked for a source.

Not permitted to answer these false accusations on CiF (banned & purged), CiFWatch (not allowed to join) or The Olive Branch (not allowed to join) et al, gives me no recourse but to refute their pathetic attempts here.

Here it is again … Plying it’s trade ..

ItsikDeWembley Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:14 am “Yeterday, reading comments in The Guardian, a regular poster calls himself “Talknic” seems to counter your opinion about the Palestinian aspirations prior to 1967 as a result that no borders were declared between 1949 and 1967.

This, in my opinion, shows his / hers true intentions that either the armestice lines of 1949 should be moved back to the original patition plan (absurd idea) or that Zionism is not a valid movement and Jews do not have the right to self govern and a national movement.

Needless to say that many agree with him in that forum.
The one state solutioners all fit this line of thoughts.

Arrafat’s finest troops.

A complete fabrication. Quite bizarre.

These folk don’t seem to realise that their un-warranted and unsubstantiated character assassination attempts only show us that… they… are… LIARS! More importantly, it poses a few questions, why would anyone purposefully lie? If they lie on InterNet forums and blogs, what’s to stop them from lying elsewhere? Why would anyone believe ANYTHING they say?

December 30, 2009

The War Against Iran. Western ‘intelligence’ sources say Iran, smuggling, purified uranium & reporters who’re stupid? Or are they hoping YOU are?

Filed under: Iran, The lies they willingly tell — Tags: , , , , , , — talknic @ 12:29 am


They’re at it again. Trying to scare you. But who should you be afraid of?

Haaretz 29/12/2009 Report: Iran seeking to smuggle purified uranium

usatoday 2009-12-29 .. intelligence report that says Iran is trying to import 1,350 tons of purified uranium ore from Kazakhstan in violation of U.N. Security Council sanctions

Meanwhile….. MONTHS AGOApril 9 2009 The World Affairs Blog Net //The Iranian and Kazakh presidents met Monday in the Kazakh capital of Astana and signed a series of mutually beneficial deals that will also pay dividends to other countries. President Nazarbayev said he supports Iran’s right to have nuclear energy but believed it should be developed in a transparent way so as to not worry the rest of the world. He pushed for the creation of a nuclear fuel bank from which Iran could procure uranium and have safe nuclear power. President Ahmadinejad defended his country’s right to enrich uranium while praising his counterpart’s plan//

MONTHS AGO Apr 6, 2009 //”If such a nuclear fuel bank were to be created, Kazakhstan would be ready to consider hosting it on its territory as a signatory of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement and as a country that voluntarily renounced nuclear weapons,” he said.

The idea, supported by U.S. President Barack Obama, rests on the creation of a global repository that would allow countries to tap into its reserves to fuel their nuclear plants without having to develop their own nuclear enrichment capability.//

If an olde schmuck like me can find evidence to refute their idiotic claims in less than 5 minutes, how STUPID are these scaremongering propagandists? Are they complete cretins?

Of course the answer is no. They’re propagandists. They don’t care as long as they scare enough people into believing the sh*te they puke out day after day. They don’t care, as long as people who don’t bother to double check, believe them.

They want people to be scared. They want YOU to be scared. Will they retract their idiotic accusations? No. That would defeat their purpose.

What is the reason for their deceptive, fraudulent activity? Why would they be PAID, that’s right folks, reporters are paid, to spout complete bullsh*te in order to scare YOU? Why would they want to scare YOU?

Remember Iraq and the WarMongers who infested the Whitehouse for 8 years? More importantly the fools who believed them!!!

Furthermore how many of the so called ‘news’ sites and blogs will retract this storie? Do they care? Probably not. They’ll just move it off the front page.

As long as the stinking, diseased ridden corpse has been thrown over the wall is left, it will continue to contaminate as many un-suspecting people as possible. It’s fleas jumping from news service to news service, blog to blog, tawk bored to tawk bored.

‘purified’ uranium? It will be as ‘pure’ as Gaza’s water at the moment.

December 26, 2009

Fostering ignorance, hatred and planting the seeds of fear in a festering war for more land. A Greater Israel at all costs, even the basic tenets of Judaism.

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s a territory of the non-state entity of Palestine…


Bearing goodwill isn’t a burden

A common argument we hear against the Palestinians and one recently reiterated by the Israeli Foreign Minister Snr Lieberman is like many others, excuse my French, bullshit!

From Haaretz // Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has ordered diplomats to use an old photograph of a former Palestinian religious leader meeting Adolf Hitler to counter world criticism of a Jewish building plan for East Jerusalem. Asked why Lieberman issued the order, a spokesman said: “because it’s important for the world to know the facts” and would not elaborate.//

What ‘facts’? Simple, unbiased, non-partisan, maths, tells us there are no facts associated with today’s Palestinians. First some history on Snr al-Husseini.

Haj Amin al-Husseini was sentenced to ten years in prison by the British for inciting riots in 1920, he was given amnesty by the high commissioner of Palestine, one Herbert Samuel, who then appointed him as Mufti of Jerusalem, 1921. Samuel was also responsible for creating the Supreme Muslim Council, which al-Husseini was appointed to lead in the following year. Ironically Herbert Samuel was Jewish.

The Palestinians of the time had no say in his appointment as Mufti of Jerusalem. His appointment was opposed by the Muslim High Council, regarding him as a thug. The Palestinians had no say in his appointment to the Supreme Muslim Council. They had no say in his appointment to the Arab Higher Committee. He murdered Jews and Arabs who would not comply.

The Mufti opposed increased Jewish immigration to Palestine and was responsible for the 1929 / 1936 riots against Jewish settlement. The British declared the Arab Higher Committee illegal, al-Husseini lost his Presidency of the Supreme Muslim Council and even his membership on the Waqf committee and went into exile in Syria. He never returned to Palestine.

In 1941, when he met Hitler he was no longer the Mufti of Jerusalem and no longer an official representative of the Palestinian people. The volunteer Muslim forces he controlled were not Palestinian. They didn’t operate in Palestine. // In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti (*?) as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974// (* he was not actually the Mufti at that time) …. by the time he returned to the M East Hitler was dead, any support tied to Hitler’s promises, was non-existent. He was refused entry into Jerusalem by King Abdullah, King Tallal and King Hussein of Jordan. He died in exile in 1974.

Now let’s look at some simple maths. The Palestinians of today have a life expectancy of 73 yrs. In 1941 it was likely lower. The date of Foreign Minister Lieberman’s order 22nd July 2009.

68 years has passed between 1941 and 2009. Subtract 68 from life expectancy (today) 73 = 5yrs old in 1941. In 1948, 12 yrs old. In 1936, 0-1yrs old. In 1929 / 1920 not even born. Simple maths tells us that today’s Palestinians had NOTHING to do with the riots of 1920, the Mufti of Jerusalem, the riots of 1929 1936, the Holocaust or Hitler or WW2 or for that matter, the 1948/9 war. They were only children!

Yet the Foreign Minister of Israel, Snr Leiberman, encourages people to make an association between the Palestinians of today and events that occurred while they were only small children. Events they could not have possibly had any influence on what so ever.

No Palestinians AT ALL voted for the appointment of the Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921. The Palestinians did not vote him into any position of power. No Palestinians of today were involved in the riots of the 1920’s – 1929 – 1936. No Palestinians of today supported al-Husseini or Hitler in 1941. No Palestinians of today, or 1941 for that matter, fought in Croatia or Hungary. It is doubtful that many, if any, Palestinians of today fought in the war of 1948. The majority of Palestine refugees were and still are innocent civilians.

So what ‘facts’ was Lieberman’s spokesman talking about? Answer – none! None of it is relevant to today’s Palestinians.

Simple maths is not biased, not Arab propaganda. The Foreign Minister of Israel is either completely shite at maths, which I doubt, or a liar. Those who repeat the propaganda are either blindly ignorant, incapable of simple maths or liars themselves. Bearing false witness is against the basic tenets of Judaism.

October 28, 2009

Fairy tales from the Fallacy Factory. “Hamas do not wear uniforms!” Naive or lying for Israel?

Demonizing one’s enemies is as old as humans have had them. Not only human to human, but to all manner of creatures who might occasion us harm. Sharks for example are not ‘man eaters’. Their main diet isn’t man. Nor is man the diet of lions, tigers or crocodiles et al. It’s just that they’re hungry and we are sometimes, very rarely, a tasty morsel that happens to be in their environment at lunch time.

Why do we call them ‘man eaters’, when we constitute an immeasurably minuscule fraction of their diet? To scare the kids into being careful when they’re in the ‘man eaters’ domain at a guess. It is after all why we tell kids to be careful when they’re in or near traffic. Eventually, we learn. Don’t play in the traffic, don’t swim in the crocodile’s pool. Are people forever children when it comes to ‘man eaters’? Some people remain naive to either the actual diet of these beasties or to the actual proportions of the problem. With a little thought, most people come to the conclusion that it is only the occasional human venturing into the beasties domain who becomes a part of the beasty’s diet. Even children can understand that much. Out of this understanding grows a respect for the animal kingdom. A healthy respect, where we have our place and they theirs respectfully. Very respectfully.

When it comes to humanity though, a very different picture seems to emerge. Our human enemies are demonized when we are in their territory or they’re in ours or when we fear they might be in our territory. Much of it is just propaganda. Propaganda always has a hole in it somewhere. It’s either shown not to be true by prior events, like the trashing of the glasshouses in Gaza, or by contrary statements or some other information coming to light after the event, that shows it to be, well…..just propaganda or outright LIES!

For a starters, let’s look at one of the most commonly held beliefs about Hamas. “Hamas do not wear uniforms!” Is this true or is it a fairy tale from a fallacy factory? It is repeated over and over, as though it is a ‘fact’. So, is it? Seems not. From the mouths of Israel’s leaders, we have contrary evidence. Israeli Knesset :“You can see on television that most of those who died during the attack were wearing Hamas uniforms, either black or other uniforms of Hamas.” Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni on December 28, 2008 Israeli Knesset.

One would have thought that if Israel’s Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Tzipi Livni, can see these uniforms, the public would too. Does believing propaganda make one blind?

The IDF also tenders contrary evidence. Dec 27: IDF operation against terror infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. “Since this morning, the IDF attacked dozens of targets affiliated with the Hamas terror organization in the Gaza Strip. The targets included command centers, training camps, various Hamas installations, rocket manufacturing facilities and storage warehouses. The vast majority of the casualties are terror operatives, most of whom were wearing uniform and working on behalf of terror organizations.”

One might gather from this information that most do actually wear uniforms. Yet it is repeated over and over ad nauseum, that Hamas do not wear uniforms.

So just where is the legal requirement to wear a uniform stated? It doesn’t appear in any Laws or Conventions! In fact, an emblem is required. Not a uniform. The Laws of War – Article 1: ”To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance. Common sense tells us why. For example, why are combat fatigues camouflaged? Even in the most law abiding militaries, Combat Fatigues are camouflaged. They’re camouflaged so that the enemy CAN’T see them! Who can see the uniform of a pilot in a fighter plane or combatants in a tank or a ship off of Gaza’s Coast? Added to which, enemy armies might have similar or even identical military fatigues. An army might have many different uniform configurations, depending on the conditions. A legitimate militia (per the Laws of War), may not have the resources to afford a uniform. That’s why there is no legal requirement to wear a uniform, but display a distinctive emblem.

Another requirement, is: “To carry arms openly”. Do any country’s undercover operatives A) wear a uniform OR B) carry their arms openly?

Are we to believe Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni a liar? Or the IDF liars? A search with google reveals that Hezbollah also wear uniforms. What are we to make of this? If the Hamas mantra is a lie or propaganda, what else is being spouted by either naive folk or propaganda meisters for Israel? Can we believe anything they say?

Not much actually. They’ve had 61 years of practice at the Fallacy Factory. A litany of fallacy litters history of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

October 24, 2009

Is there a danger of Sacred Fact being drowned out on the Guardian’s Comment is Free – CiF ?

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s a territory of Palestine…


Why am I writing this? In order to have a balanced discourse on the Israel/Palestinian issue, it is imperative that well sourced and factual counter argument be given the chance to be heard. Apart from the various slings and arrows and opinions of posters and contributors, the casual reader ought be given the chance to see what is actually said in documents, law, UNSC resolutions rather than after they’ve been put through the Ziofier and spammed endlessly.

The machinations of the UN are quite complex and ought be explained in concise and understandable terms, not just presented as an Anti-Israel organization bent on the destruction of Israel. Propaganda ought be shown for what it is. CiF and the Guardian surely owe it to their readers that a moderate voice, with a basic understanding of the Laws, UN Charter et al, be heard.

So, is there danger that CiF will be flooded with propaganda in support of Israel’s expansionist policies and illegal activities? Can moderate voices, factual information and rational counter argument be silenced? I know I am! Regularly.

By their own admissions and actions, the apologists for Israel’s illegal expansionism and illegal activities group together, issue reports on CiF commentaries, conduct mail outs advising people and encouraging them to counter anything which might be construed as Anti-Israel.

How do I know? I subscribe to some under another name in order to find out what they’re up to. Others, like CiFWatch are just too blatant and stupid for their own good, actually undermining their own hard work by the shear idiocy of their accusations and admissions. HERE”S ONE BY A CiF CONTRIBUTOR!!!Admitting to concerted efforts to have folk banned.

Ironically they complain about being banned themselves. To this end, they appear to be willing to stop at nothing. If they blatantly lie in their posts on CiF & CiFWatch, what’s to stop them from lying in their complaints to moderators especially if over worked moderators don’t look closely. Nothing!

Are these people devious? Yes. Most certainly. I’ve only kept one example of the handiwork of an apologist for Israel’s illegal activities at work on TALK International, combined alas, with moderation that begs enhancement. (I do not envy the position BTW). I had been posting as ‘Some1’ and received the following warning …

From: …… [mailto:……]
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2006 1:26 AM
To: {…….}
Subject: GU Talk Warning (Some1)
This is your first warning. We are issuing 1 warning per user before banning people permanently.
User Help
Guardian Unlimited
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Some1 – 08:34am Aug 4, 2006 GMT

How do you tell if a Jew is lying – his lips are moving. For some reason, anything that comes from Israel is a LIE. But anything that Hizbullah, Iran, and Hamas say or print is GOSPEL!

I immediately searched for this alleged breach of the guidelines and found the following

Israel/Lebanon Conflict Thread

100reader – 01:53pm Aug 4, 2006 GMT (#408 of 503)

Some1 – 08:34am Aug 4, 2006 GMT

How do you tell if a Jew is lying – his lips are moving. For some reason, anything that comes from Israel is a LIE. But anything that Hizbullah, Iran, and Hamas say or print is GOSPEL!

A) A poster had taken 100reader’s sarcastic, strawman remark, deleted 100reader from it and attributed it to me. Very likely 100reader, judging by a subsequent post advising me I’d need a new user name.
B) It is not in quotes. Not mine. Doesn’t closely resemble anything I’d say.
C) If one reads carefully, it reveals itself by the second two sentences in that single, unquoted, paragraph… “For some reason, anything that comes from Israel is a LIE. But anything that Hizbullah, Iran, and Hamas say or print is GOSPEL!”
1) It shows a sarcastic remark by 100Reader, prefaced with “How do you tell if a Jew is lying – his lips are moving.”
2) I’d never claimed or written anything of the sort. 100reader was of course constructing a strawman.

I attempted to explain this deception to …….@guardian. To no avail. Correspondence went un-answered. I was later banned, very likely on a similar completely false premise.

It was the type of tactic commonly used in posts by the advocates of Israel’s illegal expansionist policies. Cherry picking, replacing words, mis-quoting, false accusations, outright lying and concerted efforts to have posters banned and of course, completely ignoring factual material and posting the same fallacies over and over. Spam. Show them a document proving their fallacy is a blatant lie and they just ignore it and carry on regardless. Hard core denial by a hard core of organized Anti-Cifers

On the other hand there are no organized Pro-CiF groups that I know of. No email lists, no concerted efforts by groups of people trying to get the apologists for Israeli expansionism banned. I have never been invited to join or subscribe to any alternative to the likes of Giyus with about 40,000 users and numerous supporters, CifWatch, the Olivebranch, Harry’s place. There is a very real danger of it becoming a one sided battle.

In any one sided battle, the chances of the more powerful side drowning out the other is always a possibility and of course the desired result. In respect to the Israel/Palestinian issue, Cif could, I dare say is, fast becoming devoid of facts. Like TALK International, a place where silly, repetitious, sniping bun fights are commonplace. Boring to the reader, non-informative and for the most part non-factual, which is of course is also a tactic. If you can’t win the argument, turn the dialogue into a moshpit that no one can be bothered reading.

As talknic there were some 5,300 posts on Cif. None abusive, none contained any hatred, bigotry, Antisemitism. To the best of my knowledge, none contravened the CiF guidelines. If I went off topic it was only in response to where some other poster had, usually with an oft repeated propaganda mantra. Spam.

I’ve never used Islamist sources, hate or Antisemitic sites, only citing, as I have here, mainly irrefutable and reliable Jewish sources such as the Israeli Govt web site, the Jewish virtual library, the UN and university repositories for documents.

With correspondence going un-answered, re-registering and continuing to post is the only form of protest one has and one hopes in the brief time the information remains, someone will learn something other than the endless propaganda. It is of course purged as soon as someone complains. Not that there is ever anything to actually complain against, nor has there ever been. I’m guessing it goes like this. ‘This person is the much banned ‘talknic’, a well known Anti-semite’

However, nothing I’ve ever written on CiF comes even close to Antisemitism, hatred, bigotry or abuse. In 42 years of addressing the I/P issue at public forums, meetings, letters to the editors and now with the advent of the likes of CiF, no-one has ever been able to show anything remotely Antisemitic from what must now be hundreds of thousands of words I’ve written and spoken on the subject. The only complaint my opponents actually have is, they cannot honestly answer the questions I ask. I don’t even make it on CiFWatch’s pathetic Anti-semite list!!!

In real life discussions I’ve been ejected from meetings, threatened, had my walls sprayed with graffiti, refused service, hate mailed (constantly). One hand written letter shoved under my door advised me not to sit near the window. I’ve been covered in the spittle sprayed from bug eyed, red faced denialistas, shaking in rage, screaming their obscenities and predictable list of what they wish I was, but am not. The only way apologists for Israel’s illegal actions can ‘counter’ irrefutable knowledge from verifiable and reliable sources, is to ignore, scream over the top or try to deny access to the discussion by making a false accusations. I dare say the moderators had hundreds of complaints about Talknic, in the hope that one, like the example above, would slip through, resulting in a banning.

Meanwhile all I have ever done is speak in the hope that folk will be educated as to what actually has taken place, what laws actually have been broken and what laws actually do stand, without changing anything. I do this IN SUPPORT of the Sovereign Israel that was created as a homeland/state for all Jewish people. Israel should, like all UN Member states, at the very least be law abiding. That is all I ask.

So how does one address the imbalance of organized groups against CiF, vs no organized group at all for CiF? How does one get re-instated in order that a moderate voice with factual information be heard? Correspond? No point if your correspondence goes in the spam bin. Write about it as I have done here? Of course.

Continue to be a squeaky door where “Facts are…meant to be… Sacred”

Both! Because I can! And will.

October 20, 2009

Lying for Israel. Where ‘Facts are Sacred’, Harold Evans does it in bulk. Fact is purged, again!

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s a territory of Palestine…


Almost every statement in Harold Evans’ CiF article is either a lie or an unsubstantiated statement of opinion. How can such blatant lies be allowed space where “Facts are Sacred”? Different points of view, certainly should be allowed. However, absolute bullshite in this article, is quite beyond the pale. Talknic posts pointing to substantiated facts, from verifiable, irrefutable sources have been completely purged (ironically, at the appearance of PetraMB & Sydk)

The headline is enough to tell us that this is going to be a propaganda pack of bullshite straight from the Israeli handbook.

Harold Evans – A moral atrocity – Judge Goldstone has been suckered into letting war criminals use his name to pillory Israel

Who are these war criminals Harold Evans speaks of, he fails to mention any.

“It was to be expected that the usual suspects of the risible UN human rights council would be eager to condemn Israel for war crimes in defending itself against Hamas.”

Defend itself? It’s defending the notion that Israeli citizens can live in non-Sovereign territory. The areas in reach of Hamas’ weapons are not Israeli. They reach only into non-annexed areas, illegally acquired by war. Areas cleansed of many of their rightful inhabitants by war, by 1949.

“If you treat people as the Chinese do the Tibetans or Uighurs (“Off with their heads!”); or as the Russians eliminate Chechen dissidents; or as the Nigerians tolerate extrajudicial killings, the evictions of 800,000, rape and cruel treatment of prisoners; or as the Egyptians get prisoners to talk (torture) and the Saudis suppress half their population … well, go through the practices of all 25 states voting to refer Israel to the security council for the Gaza war, and you have to acknowledge they know a lot about the abuse of humans. Anything to divert attention from their own atrocities.”

I’d’ve thought a journalist would at least familiarize themselves with the mandate under which the UN and it’s instruments are enabled. The UN cannot interfere in internal matters of Sovereign countries. At best all the UN can do through the UNHRC is support the victims. So, as ghastly as they might be, his examples are quite pointless.
“..the Chinese do the Tibetans or Uighurs” – Internal & does China even allow UNHRC in? NO!
“..the Russians eliminate Chechen dissidents” – Internal & does Russia even allow UNHRC in? NO!
“..the Nigerians tolerate extrajudicial killings, the evictions of 800,000, rape and cruel treatment of prisoners”– Internal
“..the Egyptians get prisoners to talk” – Internal
“..the Saudis suppress half their population” – Internal
Have any of the countries railed against prevented ALL the civilians of their neighbour from fleeing a war zone by having ALL means of escape closed, including the closure of border crossings that are NOT it’s own (Gaza / Egypt under the 2005 agreement), including flight into the sea. Then proceeded to attack the territory with some of the world’s most advanced weaponry? Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories…….Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

“Poor Judge Goldstone now regrets how his good name has been used to single out Israel. The Swiss paper Le Temps reports him complaining that “This draft [UN human rights council] resolution saddens me … there is not a single phrase condemning Hamas as we have done in the report. I hope the council can modify the text.” Fat hope.”

Harold Evans’ link leads to Haaretz reporting, Israeli Army radio reporting, Le Temps.

A) Mr Goldstone did NOT say he ” regrets how his good name has been used to single out Israel” It simply does not appear anywhere other than in unsubstantiated accusations. Why does Harold Evans lie?
B) The original Le Temps goes on to say: The judge, however, defends its conclusions: “The Americans talk about errors in our report, but they do not advance a single fact to demonstrate tangible.” Despite the politicization of his report – including Hamas – it can only regret, he remains confident that it will make its way and will support peace in the region. As for the virulence of Israeli attacks, he expected, “but not to such venom. It is a sad experience. “

Meanwhile the UNHRC has altered the text to include Hamas. The report was adopted in Geneva on Friday. The resolution proposed by Palestine on crimes committed by Israel and Hamas in Gaza has been approved by 25 votes to six against and 11 abstentions. Why does Harold Evans lie?

“The truth is he was suckered into lending his good name to a half-baked report – read its 575 pages and see. He said that, as a Jew himself, he was surprised to be invited. He shouldn’t have been, and should never have accepted leadership of a commission whose terms of reference were designed to excuse the aggressor, Hamas, and punish the defender, Israel.”

Why does Harold Evans lie? The truth is, Mr Goldstone demanded that Hamas be included BEFORE he took the position and there are nine pages in the report condemning Hamas.

“The council’s decision was to “dispatch an urgent, independent, international fact-finding mission … to investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law by the occupying power, Israel, against the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, particularly in the occupied Gaza Strip, due to the current aggression, and [it] calls upon Israel not to obstruct the process of investigation and to fully co-operate with the mission”.”

Why does Harold Evans lie? The council’s decision was changed at the demand of Goldstone to include Hamas.

“Israel is not an “occupying power” in Gaza in either fact or international law. Four years ago it voluntarily pulled out all its soldiers and uprooted all its settlers.”

The UNSC tells us that Gaza is a part of the Occupied Territories.

The Security Council“Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008), “Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state,

“Here was a wonderful chance for Gaza to be the building block of a Palestinian state, and for Hamas to do what the Israelis did – take a piece of land and build a model state. They didn’t. Instead of helping the desperate Palestinians, they conducted a religious war.”

A) A part of a proposed state cannot declare Sovereignty. In order to declare, the entity must have control over ALL it’s territories. Same rules applied to Israel.
B) A religious war? No Mr Evans, it’s a war against a neighbour who has continued to steal Palestinian territory for 61 years.

“The terms of reference he accepted validate the torment of Israeli civilians.”

Why does Harold Evans lie? Goldstone demanded the terms of reference be change BEFORE he accepted the position

“The rockets were war crimes and ought to have been universally condemned as such. While new rockets hit Israel ….”

A) They have been condemned by HRW as War Crimes. They were condemned by the Goldstone report as War Crimes.
B) Israel’s Sovereign territories are those recommended by UNGA resolution 181. Israel has never legally annexed any territory outside of it’s Sovereign territory.

“…over many months there was no rush by the world’s moralisers – including Britain – to censure Hamas”

Miliband criticized Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israel and implicitly urged Syria to exert its influence on the group to stop such attacks.
“I argue that Hamas’ violence hurts Syria, which says it believes in a comprehensive peace,” Miliband said. “The rockets are a threat to the successful process.

“…no urgency as there was in “world opinion” when Israel finally responded. Then Israel was immediately accused of a “disproportionate” response without anyone thinking: “What is a ‘proportionate’ attack against an enemy dedicated to exterminating your people?” A dedication to exterminating all of his?”

Perhaps a better question is, what is the justification for illegally acquiring your enemies territory over 62 years and thus prompting them to want rid of you?

Israel risked its own forces by imposing unprecedented restraint. In testimony volunteered to the human rights council (and ignored), Colonel Richard Kemp, a British commander in Bosnia and Afghanistan, stated: “The Israeli Defence Forces did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”

By preventing civilians from fleeing a war zone, then attacking the territory with some of the most modern war technology in the world.

“No doubt there were blunders. A defensive war is still a war with all its suffering and destruction. But Hamas compounded its original war crime with another. It held its own people hostage. It used them as human shields.”

Mr Evans’ rhetoric is straight out of the Israel propaganda handbook.

Had Israel allowed civilians from fleeing the war zone, they’d not have been in this alleged predicament. I say alleged, because it is a well known, transparent and age olde propaganda ploy, to demonize one’s enemy. It is a fact however, that Israel prevented them from fleeing the war zone, by having all means of escape closed, even the borders between Gaza and Egypt, under the 2005 agreement. On the other hand, it is only alleged, by Israel, that Hamas held it’s own people hostage. Furthermore, Hamas did not just drop out of the sky they are all volunteers, Palestinians, their own people, fighting for the cause of their own people. They can exist only with the support of their own people. So it does not make one iota of sense to have their own turn against them.

“The Goldstone report won the gold standard of moral equivalence between the killer and the victim. Now Britain wins the silver. Who’s cheering?”

Harold Evan$ perhaps? I can think of no other reason why one would stoop so low. Statistics show us who the killers are, by a ratio of about 100 :1

The “moral atrocity” is the absolute shite dished up by one Harold Evans.

October 19, 2009

Watching the hypocrisy where “the voice of opponents no less than that of friends has a right to be heard”

The CifWatch banner proudly extols
“the voice of opponents no less than that of friends has a right to be heard”

Unfortunately at hypocrisy central, the silencing of Talknic takes precedence. Nary a sign of the posts I’ve offered. Are they that pi$$ weak?

As for their ‘badge of honor’. What is ‘honorable’ about being booted off a tawk bored for being a bunch of ghastly, lying, toilet humorist, bigots?

CLASSIC FIB from the lil’ CiFWatchers

October 18, 2009 at 3:54 am
The Anti Discriminator

This fresh in from CIF

##Berchmans, deleted HUNDREDS OF TIMES because of anti-Semitic posts marked as such by even The Guardian moderators:##

Who are they trying to kid? CiF give no reasons for deleting posts.

October 17, 2009

Watching AKUS make a fool of himself on CiFWatch. Another idiot for Israel


This is a guest post by AKUS

“This is not a critique of the fatally flawed Goldstone report itself, which has been ably carried out by many more competent experts than me and which could be continued pointlessly ad infinitum. Even the announcement advertising the discussion of the report this week and the terms of reference for the “fact-finding mission” reveal the bizarre world which the UNHRC inhabits which makes such discussions essentially meaningless and certainly fruitless:

The holding of the Special Session comes at the request of Palestine.

There is no such country as “Palestine”. In the Draft Resolution the word “Palestine” is given an asterisk, and a footnote explains that it is a “Non-Member State of the Human Rights Council”. In fact, it is a non-state, non-member of the Human Rights Council.

A) AKUS is an expert now? WOW!!!
B) United Nations Charter Article 35

l. Any Member of the United Nations may bring any dispute, or any situation of the nature referred to in Article 34, to the attention of the Security Council or of the General Assembly.

2. A state which is not a Member of the United Nations may bring to the attention of the Security Council or of the General Assembly any dispute to which it is a party if it accepts in advance, for the purposes of the dispute, the obligations of pacific settlement provided in the present Charter.

C) The LoN Mandate for Palestine refers to the LoN Charter article 22, under which Palestine held the status of a Provisional State. This status has never legally altered. A Provisional State that has been hacked away by the formation of Jordan and Israel. What remains of the Provisional State of Palestine is still Palestine. It has not been renamed since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. When you eat half an apple what’s left? Apple or does it magically change into something else, perhaps AKUS’s ziocaine induced Hasbara bullsh*te?

Some expert AKUS turns out to be.

There is, in fact, no need to read the report in order to anticipate its methods and conclusions. It is more interesting to look at how it has been received, and what actions will be taken as a result.

Uh huh. ‘in fact’? ‘In fact’, IT’S JUST YOUR OPINION! (I guess he just ‘listens’ to the moaning of the losing team in order to ‘watch’ a football match)

D) Furthermore, under the UN Charter Chapt XI, Israel, as the Occupying Power, has a duty towards the Palestinians. To protect them, their property and their territory and to assist them in achieving effective independent statehood.

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