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September 29, 2016

PERES LIES ON BEHALF OF ISRAEL, IN FRONT OF THE WORLD AT THE UNITED NATIONS


It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, it’s a territory of State of Palestine…

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Peres was an inveterate liar, warmonger and terrorist

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Israel, MDG Debate 20 September 2010
Transcribed from http://www.unmultimedia.org/tv/webcast/2010/09/israel-mdg-debate.html

“Mr President, ladies and gentlemen. History was written in blood. Most wars were waged over territory. Today, science, creativity and knowledge replaced land as the source of wealth. Land can be conquered. Not science. Science is global, borderless. Armies can’t conquer it.”

Lie No# 1 – Israel stifles the ability of the Palestinians to develop science, creativity, knowledge, agriculture, self determination, by illegally acquiring Palestinian land and suppressing them, with the IDF. The IDF is an army!

“Yet, still, Lawless terrorists spread violence caused by ideological differences, social gaps and sheer fanaticism.”

A) Peres was a member of the terrorist Haganah. They did not stop until their goal was achieved. B) Already he forgot the wars “waged over territory” in which Israel has illegally ‘acquired by war’ some 50% of the Palestinians rightful territories since 1948.

” The new millennium must liberate the world, from bloodshed, from discrimination, from hunger, from ignorance, from maladies.

Modern science is capable to provide new answers. In the coming ten years there will be an explosion of knowledge. Computation power increased a million folds in the last 25 years. Scientists are venturing into the brain.

Mr. President,

I speak on behalf of a small people, and a tiny land. We knew rebirth despite the murder of one third of our people. The Shoah. We were alone. Our land was attacked 7 times in 62 years. Again.”

Lie No# 2 – Israeli/Jewish forces OUTSIDE OF Israel’s Sovereign territories were attacked. Israel was acting outside of it’s actual Sovereign territory. It did not ask for UN help, because it knew it would not be forthcoming. There is no UNSC Resolution condemning the Arab States Invasion of PALESTINE. Israel had just been declared independent of Palestine, even as Jewish forces were outside of the territory being declared as Sovereign. What was a civil war escalation under Plan Dalet, became a war waged by a State (Israel) on a non-state entity, the moment Israel declared it’s sovereign territory and adopted the Jewish forces outside of it’s sovereign territory. The Arab States had a right, as Regional Powers, to attempt to expel foreign forces from the non-state entity they represented.

“Never giving up on hope, we developed science. We found that the future is in our hands. We learned that people can enrich land, no less than land can nourish the people.

Israel is the product of pioneering human spirit – not of financial capital”

Lie No# 3 – The Jewish Colonial Trust was one of the first things setup by the Zionist Federation garnering support from Jewish people around the world, because it DID depend on capital. The Kibbutz was poor. He was poor. He had only two pairs of pants. The Zionist Federation and the Institutions had more than two suits. Theodor Herzl didn’t even bother to go live in Israel. Never worked on a kibbutz.

“In spite of wars, we made peace with Egypt and Jordan.”

Lie No# 4 – Israel was FIRST required to AGREE to the terms of a Peace Treaty. The Terms it acquiesced to, required Israel to AGREE to WITHDRAW from ALL of Egypt’s territory, then implement the WITHDRAWAL and FINALIZE the withdrawal, BEFORE peaceful relations resumed. Israel is still claiming territory OUTSIDE of it’s Sovereignty. No Arab State has claimed ANY Israeli territory since the Declaration of the State of Israel …within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,. Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory. Not the undeclared territory ‘acquired’ by war by 1950 or “territories occupied” and never withdrawn from. Left under in the trust of a Regional Occupying Power.

“The territorial dispute with Lebanon has ended and acknowledged so by the UN.

We left Gaza on our own initiative. Completely. “

Lie No# 5 – UNSC Res 1860 on Caste Lead, tells us Israel occupies Gaza

“We are now negotiating with the Palestinians in order to realize the two-state-solution:

A Jewish state, Israel. An Arab State- Palestine. There is no other peaceful alternative. And, I believe that we shall succeed”

Lie No# 6 – ‘I believe that we shall succeed’… By Israel continuing to act illegally by aiding and abetting the ILLEGAL settlements continuing in “territories occupied”. It is against the GC’s. The GC’s were formulated in large part because of the horrors perpetuated on the Jewish people. They are there in order to protect all civilians, including those of the Occupying Power, by keeping them out of areas where arms might be expected, especially when that territory belongs to someone else. It is also against Israeli law for Israeli citizens to enter a hostile entity. Does he really expect talks to succeed while Israel continues to act outside the law? While illegal settlers blatantly flaunt the International Law. Israel agreed to uphold International Law. At this time, it has done NO THING to uphold International Law. It is shamefull.

“We are ready to enter in direct negotiations with Syria immediately.

Immediately, has taken 42 years of occupying the Sovereign territory of an Independent Sovereign State and illegally settling Israelis in it! UNSC Res 242. “..acknowledgment of Sovereign integrity etc etc”

Mr. President,

We are committed to the Millennium development goals. We share the burden of saving the world from war and hunger. Without peace, poverty will remain. Without food – peace will not prevail.

Statesmen have to mobilize political power to achieve peace. Scientists can enable the land produce more food. We developed an agriculture based on science.

Our farmers produce 8-folds per acre compared with the nation’s early days. The need for water was cut in half. We employed desalination, recycling, drip and electronic irrigation and bio-engineering to create new seeds and richer crops.

Five decades ago, an Israeli farmer produced food for 15 persons. Today, he produces for 120.

The farmer’s contribution to the GDP equals that of a high-tech engineer. To cultivate land, you have to cultivate education and improve health.

So we introduced free compulsory education for all, from age 5 to 18. It brought an end to illiteracy and provided us with the highest rate of scientists per square mile in the world. The National health-care system provides world-class treatment for every citizen.

We are also one of the only countries in the world that entered the 21st century with more trees than it had when it entered the 20th century.”

Lie No# 7 – Agriculture and trees planted in Illegally ‘acquired’ territory by 1950 (never annexed) and in ‘territories occupied’ (illegally annexed) are NOT IN Israel. ONE THIRD of the territory Israel claims as it’s own, ISN’T.

“Mr. President,

I am confident that our path is available to everyone. Our experience is replicable. We are ready to share our experience as we did already with many countries –– both through UN agencies and bilaterally.

Our call includes also nations that don’t have diplomatic ties with us.

Mr. President,

The other day, the formal leader of Iran declared there’s no future for Israel in the Middle East.”

Lie No# 8 He did? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=”no+future+for+Israel+in+the+Middle+East”+%2BAhmadinejad+-peres

“I believe that the Middle East has room for every person, every nation, every religion.

We believe that every person was created in the image of the lord – and there’s just one Lord who calls not to hate, not to threaten, not to seek superiority, and not to kill. There is enough room for friendship in the Middle East.”

Lie No# 9 – Israel kills, actually maintains superiority over the Palestinians, illegally acquires their territory, occupies them, illegally annexes, illegally settles, has dispossessed half the population and has threatened them if they did not comply. Every day. For 62 years.
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“Ladies and Gentlemen,

In my youth I was a member of a Kibbutz, cultivating poor land.”

Lie No# 10 – He worked in two – Kibbutz Alumot, which was in desert. In his time it was a failure. It didn’t blossom in the desert.

The other, Geva in the Jezreel Valley, which was NOT poor land or a desert. It was already blooming and had done so for centuries. Of the Jezreel Valley Bayard Taylor 1852 wrote one of the richest districts in the world

Laurence Oliphant 1887 wrote the Valley of Esdraelon (Jezreel) was ‘a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive’

” I owned, like all members, two shirts and two pairs of pants. There was a third pair of pants: made of flannel reserved for grooms only.

I was lucky to wear them for two full days during my wedding. The main dish in the kibbutz was eggplants. Meat was available once a week, but not every week. There was no private money and little collective money.

We were poor and happy. The sort of happiness felt when a person as is turning desert into garden. “

Lie No# 11 – Kibutz Alumot was a failure in his time, it didn’t turn the desert into garden. It was abandoned until 1967 and Kibbutz Geva was not in the desert, it had been a fertile garden for centuries.

“Today the kibbutz has a thriving agriculture and a profitable guest house. Food is plentiful. It is in the kibbutz, in scarcity, where I learned to respect pioneers. And developed an affinity to creative minds and laborious hands. Actually, my early dream was to see the world as a great kibbutz. Free, peaceful, productive.”

Lie No# 12 – Except for the Palestinians who Israel continues to dispossess and occupy. Whose land Israel continues to illegally acquire. Who Israel will not allow trade in or out of Gaza, stifling any development and productivity.

“Mr. President,

I call upon this gathering to address the two burning challenges: first, to harness science and technology to increase food production. And second, to stand together against terror. “

Lie No# 13 – He was a member of the terrorist outfit Haganah, who fought to establish Israel. He has become the President. If he wasn’t a terrorist, he wouldn’t be President.

A hungry world will never be peaceful.

Lie No# 14 – Israel currently has an embargo on ALL Palestinian citizens in Gaza. Until Israel lifted some restrictions after the outcry over it’s unwarranted attack on the Mavi Marmara, the embargo included foodstuffs.

“A terrorized world will never be governable. We should unite around a common hope. The cradle of our children shall be the cradle of our vision.”

Israel’s vision in 1949 was this

Today it is this

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October 11, 2015

Israeli Defense Forces story does not add up again


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From Haaretz Oct 11, 2015 7:32 AM

On Saturday, an Iron Dome defense system intercepted a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip toward southern Israel’s Hof Ashkelon Regional Council. In response, the Israel Defense Forces attacked what they said were two Hamas weapons manufacturing sites in north Gaza.

If they knew they were weapons manufacturing sites, why didn’t they attack them BEFORE? Why wait until a rocket is fired?

October 7, 2015

Hadeel al-Hashlamoun – the Israeli Defense Forces story does not add up


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On September 22 2015: 18 year old Palestinian Hadeel al-Hashlamoun was shot to death at a Hebron checkpoint by Israeli soldiers.

Justified?
You decide!

The IDF claim she was coming at them with a knife.
But after having been shot in both legs and falling to the ground,
she somehow miraculously made it back thru the barrier to the opposite side,
where she was again shot some five or six times at close range, in the torso.

In fact, she was laying on the opposite side of the barrier when, while she was still alive, dis-armed and helpless, they dragged her by the feet thru the dirt, under the barricade, to the IDF side.

In this photo, we see the rubbish bin has been moved to the opposite side of the supporting uprights.

Sure we see the alleged knife, however, they’ve already dragged a girl, still alive, under the barricade to the IDF side, then shot her and the evidence has already been tampered with by moving the bin. Why would anyone choose to believe anything they say without their being definitive evidence?

An account by Marcel Leme, International Human Rights Observer

Did they think she was a suicide bomber? Very doubtful. Suicide vests are exploded by the release of the trigger and they had already shot her AND dragged her by the feet through the dirt to the IDF side of the barrier and;
Only a complete moron would shoot a person at close range if they though that person was wearing explosives. Furthermore she was shot in the torso, where the explosives of a suicide belt would be!

It simply does not make sense.

August 15, 2015

Israeli propaganda depends on you not checking!


How many times have you read the Jordanian occupation and annexation of the West Bank was illegal
Or perhaps the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank was illegal, only two countries recognized it
Or perhaps Geneva Convention IV is not applicable to the West Bank/Israeli settlements

Have you ever checked or thought about these notions?

1) Illegal occupation. Israel signed an Armistice Agreement with Jordan. If the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank was illegal, where does that leave Israel’s May 22nd 1948 self admitted occupation of territories “outside the State of Israel”?

2) Illegal annexation. Unlike the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel, not recognized by anyone, condemned by the UNSC with at least eight reminders affording Israel the opportunity to abide by the binding Law, the UN Charter and relevant conventions re-affirmed and emphasized in those resolutions, Jordan’s bilateral annexation of what became known as the West Bank was by agreement with the occupied.

Although at the time Jordan was not a UN Member state, this was in keeping with the UN Charter on self determination. Furthermore and contrary to the Israeli notion that it was condemned by the Arab states, they in fact demanded of Jordan that the annexation be as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950), again in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI as a “sacred trust”

3) Recognition of annexed territories. A) The legality of annexation is not dependent on recognition. It is dependent on self determination per the UN Charter (ibid). B) if we take the Israeli propaganda claiming illegality because only two or three countries recognized the Jordanian annexation, where does it leave the legality of Israel’s unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, recognized by no one?

The Jordanian annexation was recognized by the US BTW

“…it was not the custom of this country to issue formal statements of recognition every time a foreign country changed its territorial area. The union of Arab Palestine and Jordan had been brought about as a result of the will of the people and the US accepted the fact that Jordanian sovereignty had been extended to the new area. Mr. Iiifai said he had not realized this and that he was very pleased to learn that the US did in fact recognize the union” United States Department of State / Foreign relations of the United States, 1950. The Near East, South Asia, and Africa (1950) Page 921

4) GC IV. Israeli propaganda claims it is not applicable to the West Bank/Israeli settlements because the West Bank was not a High Contracting Power. However, in 1967 the West Bank was under the sovereignty of Jordan, who at the time was a UN Member State and a High Contracting Power.

One only needs to scratch the surface. The Israeli narrative is bullsh*t!

December 5, 2014

More Stupid Hasbara – Arafat was born in Egypt


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“It’s ironic that the man who personified the Palestinian movement was neither born in the region it claims, nor conforms to his own organization’s definition of Palestinian identity”

So what? Like all Hasbara, where Arafat was born is irrelevant to the actual sovereign extent of Israel’s self proclaimed, Internationally recognized boundaries and Israel’s illegal activities as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories over the last 66 years. That’s right 66 years! Not since 1967 as often claimed!

Applying the same stupid criteria to Israel, we find that only one of the signatories to Israel’s Declaration of statehood was born in the region

David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland – Palestine 1906
Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine) – Palestine 1938
Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus – Palestine 1904
Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine) – Palestine 1907
Saadia Kobashi – Yemen – Palestine 1909
Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine) – Palestine 1914
Rachel Cohen – Odesa – Palestine 1919
David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary – Palestine 1925
Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland – Palestine 1920
Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus – Palestine 1932
Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia – Palestine 1907
Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia – Palestine 1940
Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia – Palestine 1920
Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany – Netherlands til Palestine 1936
Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia – Palestine 1924
Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland) – US 1907 – Palestine 1935
Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark – Palestine 1934
Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany – Palestine 1926
Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia – Palestine 1927
David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia – Palestine 1913
Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland – Palestine 1933
Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland – Palestine 1924
Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine – Palestine 1920
Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia – Palestine 1924
Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine – Palestine 1921
Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ? – Palestine unsure (England during WWW2)
Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland – Palestine 1925
Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria /Hungary – Palestine 1939
Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia – Palestine 1932
Zvi Segal – Lithuania – Palestine unsure
Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania – Palestine 1938
Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia – Palestine 1913
Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus – Palestine 1925
Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia – Lithuania/Japan/Canada 1941 – Palestine 1947

BTW Very few were possibly subject to the Holocaust

January 5, 2011

Israel and the United States share the same values. Or do they… Marriage laws


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Make up your own mind….
Marriage In Israel

There’s no mention of Muslims BTW

December 27, 2010

Israel vs Palestine. The fallacy of defensible borders. UNSC Resolution 242 says NOTHING about ‘defensible borders’


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” sovereign territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
it’s a territory of Palestine…

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UNSC Resolution 242 says NOTHING about ‘defensible borders’

LOGIC: No matter how much of other folk’s territory an entity acquires for ‘defensible’ borders, it will still be next to the people whose territory it is acquiring.

QUESTION: Why has one entity in any region the right to have more ‘defensible’ borders than any other entity in the region?

Fact is, it hasn’t. UN Charter Article 2
“The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.”

If Palestine is recognized by a 2/3rds majority of UN Member States, game over for Deuteronomy 20:15. Game over for being an Occupying Power over what will legally be recognized as a “Regional Power”. There is no requirement that they be powerful, nor do they have to be a UN Member State.

Of course defensible borders are a military advantage, however, the Jewish People’s Council accepted and declared boundaries “within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947”, which did not include territories already under the control of Jewish forces at the time of declaration.

They did not include the territories Israel confirmed were not it’s own on May 22 1948

They did not include the territories Israel attempted to claim on 31st August 1949

They did not include the territories Israel has ‘acquired’ by war, or illegal annexation, or illegal settlement, since declaration. None of which has been legally annexed.

QUESTION: If the territory is genuinely acquired for military purposes, aka, defense, why is it being populated with …. ahem….Israeli civilians?

The Laws of War and GC’s are there to protect ALL civilians, especially NOT having the Occupying Power’s civilians in occupied territories for the simple reason that the occupied have a right to armed resistance in which the Occupying Power’s civilians might become collateral statistics The Occupying Power has a duty to it’s civilians to ensure they are NOT in territories acquired by war, in order to safeguard them. Israel in fact endangers it’s citizens by encouraging and assisting them to settle in occupied territories!

QUESTION In order for an entity to defend it’s civilians illegally in illegally ‘acquired’ territories, from those whose territories it has illegally acquired, is it logical for Israel to further incur their wrath by attempting to acquire even more of their territory to protect the territory you have already illegally ‘acquired’?

The answer is of course, no. Consecutive Israeli Governments have been more than irresponsible, they have been incredibly … STUPID!!

December 18, 2010

WikiLeaks. An uninformed democracy can only vote in ignorance

Filed under: It's Our World Too! — Tags: , , , , , , , — talknic @ 4:34 pm

From http://www.globalresearch.ca
The Internal Organizational Structure of Wikileaks: Record of Wikileaks Email Exchanges

To:
From:
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:42:37 +1100
This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g. Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to ‘WL’. This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer and plenty of backbone.
Dear Mr. Ellsberg.
We have followed with interest and delight your recent statements on
document leaking.
We have come to the conclusion that fomenting a world wide movement of
mass leaking is the most cost effective political intervention
available to us* We believe that injustice is answered by good
governance and for there to be good governance there must be open
governance. Governance by stealth is governance by conspiracy and
fear. Fear, because without it, secrecy does not last for long.
Retired generals and diplomats are vociferous, but those in active
service hold their tune.
Lord Action said, “Everything secret degenerates, even the
administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it
can bear discussion and publicity”.
This degeneration comes about because when injustice is concealed,
including plans for future injustice, it cannot be addressed. When
governance is closed, man’s eyes become cataracts. When governance is
open, man can see and so act to move the world towards a more just
state

Need one say more?

A semi-literate Brian Whitaker writing for the Guardian?

Filed under: The Guardian / CiF — Tags: , , , , , , , — talknic @ 6:49 am

Literacy skills are a pre-requisite for journalism. At the very least an ability to apply the very basic English rules of grammar to the English language.

Brian Whitaker

It is now more than three years since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made his famous claim during a visit to New York: “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. This does not exist in our country.”

His words caused laughter among the audience at Columbia University…

Perhaps it was a sudden plague of deafness amongst the audience or their Manglish, caused the laughter.

Much the same is demonstrated by Snr Whitaker’s A) reiterating verbatim what was conveyed by by one Dr.Banafsheh Keynoush whose translation skills are impeccable “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. This does not exist in our country.”

B) then his failure to understand what was said and instead and interpreting it thus “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like you do in your country. They do not exist in our country.”

Does a person mean ‘they’ when they say ‘this’? In the USA there is open homosexuality, this phenomenon does not exist in Iran.

Whitaker then goes on about Iran’s laws against homosexual behaviour. Put simply, one doesn’t have road rules if there are no roads.

December 16, 2010

Israel has no fixed borders? On May 22 1948 Israel confirmed it’s borders in a letter to the UNSC. The Hasbara does not explain, it justifies the usurping of the Palestinians


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the actual Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, then by default it is the territory of what remained of Palestine on May 15th 1948. Non-self Governing Territories fall under the protection of the UN Charter Chapt XI…

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How many times have you heard the notion that Israel has no borders with Palestine? According to the Provisional Israeli Government’s May 15th 1948 plea for recognition, the State of Israel was declared

“within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,”

Israel was immediately recognized as such by the US followed by Russia and; recognized as such by the majority of the International Community of Nations before being accepted into the UN and; the extent of Israel’s sovereignty was confirmed by the Israeli Government in a statement to the UNSC on 22nd May 1948, before Israel was accepted into the UN as declared and recognized, before the Armistice Agreements and; before Israel made the first claims to territories the Israeli Government stated (n 22nd May ’48) were “outside the territory of the State of Israel”.

On May 15th 1948 the extent of Israel’s Sovereign territories were clearly defined in the Israeli Government’s official plea for recognition to the President of the USA.

May 15, 1948 Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

The US immediately recognized Israel as such. No more, no less. The British also recognized Israel as such and considered non-declared territories under Israel’s control by the time of British recognition, as occupied.

On May 22nd 1948 the extent of Israel’s Sovereign territories were clearly stated again in the Israeli Government’s Reply to the UNSC.

May 22, 1948 The reply of the Provisional Government of Israel UNSC S/766 to the questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations on May 22.

“at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947. In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard [1]. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed.”

The Israeli Govt goes on to use these phrases in the document:

“the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel” — “outside the area of the State” — “beyond the frontiers of the State of Israel”

Four instances where the Israeli Government, after having declared and been recognized, acknowledged limits to it’s territory. aka Borders, delineating the state of Israel from Palestine!

On 12 Aug 1948 an Israeli Government Proclamation says Jerusalem was “occupied”.

Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948.

[1]

[1] “international regulations” at the time say;

Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
“Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. “

On June 15, 1949, Israel’s position on its frontiers, statement to the Knesset by Foreign Minister Sharett.

June 15, 1949 Israel-s position on its frontiers VOLUMES 1-2: 1947-1974
“As for the frontier between the State of Israel and the area west of the Jordan which is not included in Israel…”

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On the 31st Aug 1949 Israel made it’s first official claim to territories beyond the extent of its sovereign frontiers. After accepting UNGA resolution without registering any reservations. After declaring Israel Independent of any other entity including Palestine, per the borders of UNGA Res 181 and; enshrining UNGA Resolution in the Declaration. After being recognized as asked & declared. After confirming what was “outside the territory of the State of Israel” to the UNSC and by proclamation declaring Jerusalem “Israeli-Occupied”. After being accepted into the UN, as recognized and based on the Israeli Government statements to the UNSC prior to the UNSC recommendation. Israel’s claim was rebuffed, citing the Armistice Agreements, specifically the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to “be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary”.

UN Charter

Chapt XI DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES . Israeli Declaration “Israel…will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations May 14th 1948.

Under the UN charter, the acquisition of territory by war is inadmissible. The only manner in which territory can be acquired is by legal annexation. Israel has never legally annexed any territory

Consecutive Israeli Governments have been LYING to it’s own citizens and the world for 62 years.

Contrary to the opinions on why the British took so long to recognize Israel, the British waited until an Israeli Government was elected and waited until Israel was accepted into the UN as Declared and as recognized by the majority of Nations. The British also took into consideration the statements by the Israeli Government, granting de jure recognition of State and elected Government, with conditions.

ISRAEL (GOVERNMENT DECISION) HC Deb 27 April 1950 vol 474 cc1137-41 “His Majesty’s Government have also decided to accord de jure recognition to the State of Israel, subject to explanations on two points corresponding to those described above in regard to the case of Jordan. These points are as follows. First, that His Majesty’s Government are unable to recognise the sovereignty of Israel over that part of Jerusalem which she occupies, though, pending a final determination of the status of the area, they recognise that Israel exercises de facto authority in it. Secondly, that His Majesty’s Government cannot regard the present boundaries between Israel, and Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the Lebanon as constituting the definitive frontiers of Israel, as these boundaries were laid 1139 down in the Armistice Agreements concluded severally between Israel and each of these States, and are subject to any modifications which may be agreed upon under the terms of those Agreements, or of any final settlements which may replace them.”

Nothing has yet replaced them. Israel has never legally annexed any territory to the “frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947”. It’s two attempts at annexation were condemned by UNSC Res 252 (+ 5 reminders) and UNSC Res 497, the Golan.

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These territories, “outside the territory of the State of Israel”, acquired by war, confirmed by the Israeli Government as occupied and never legally annexed to Israel, are quite simply not sovereign to Israel. As Professor Stephen M. Schwebel, after leaving office as a Judge of International Court of Justice, explains (citing Elihu Lauterpacht), a sovereign can ‘restore’ it’s own sovereign territory by war. It cannot ‘acquire’ territory by war.

Israel has never had to ‘restore’ any sovereign territory, it has never had any sovereign Israeli territory taken from it. In fact, failing to reach a peaceful settlement under Chapt VI of the UN Charter, Syria has a right to ‘restore’ the Golan by war. Likewise Egypt had the same right over the Sinai.

Detailed Partition Map.
Overlay for Google Earth with borders marked according to text of UNGA Res 181 (included)
1947 Partition Google Earth Overlay

November 17, 2010

Mark Twain and Palestine. Have you ever actually read Innocents Abroad? The Israeli narrative only mentions a couple of lines. Why would that be?

Filed under: Israel & the Palestinians — Tags: , , , , , , , — talknic @ 12:21 pm

It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948.
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“we made the desert bloom” or “Israel is the only democracy in the M East” or Israel treats Gays better than the Arab states or there was no state of Palestine or the number of Jewish Nobel prize winners or Israel’s alleged invention of computer chips or the mobile telephone or most Palestinians would rather live under Israeli rule than Palestinian rule or anything that happened prior to 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time), including Mark Twain’s description of Palestine is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE LEGAL STATUS OF TERRITORIES and the rights and duties of Statehood. They are all non-arguments. Hasbara nonsense 101.

The argument that Jews made the dessert bloom, has no legal bearing on the matter.  It is completely irrelevant to International Law.

Never the less, let’s have a look at what the Hasbara fails to mention from Twain.

Twain was recovering from cholera during his journey through Palestine, IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER… take it from here … for the most part the route he took to Jerusalem, was through barren areas. E.g., Damascus to the Sea of Galilee. Nablus to Jerusalem. Look at Google Earth even today. The dead sea, today. These are the areas Twain is quoted for! IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER.

You will not find the following cited by apologists for a Greater Israel.

“The narrow canon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side”

“Sometimes, in the glens, we came upon luxuriant orchards of figs, apricots, pomegranates, and such things, but oftener the scenery was rugged, mountainous, verdureless and forbidding”

“We came finally to the noble grove of orange-trees in which the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried”

“Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side”

“Every where about the Mosque of Omar are portions of pillars, curiously wrought altars, and fragments of elegantly carved marble–precious remains of Solomon’s Temple. These have been dug from all depths in the soil and rubbish of Mount Moriah, and the Moslems have always shown a disposition to preserve them with the utmost care. At that portion of the ancient wall of Solomon’s Temple which is called the Jew’s Place of Wailing, and where the Hebrews assemble every Friday to kiss the venerated stones and weep over the fallen greatness of Zion, any one can see a part of the unquestioned and undisputed Temple of Solomon, the same consisting of three or four stones lying one upon the other, each of which is about twice as long as a seven-octave piano, and about as thick as such a piano is high. But, as I have remarked before, it is only a year or two ago that the ancient edict prohibiting Christian rubbish like ourselves to enter the Mosque of Omar and see the costly marbles that once adorned the inner Temple was annulled. The designs wrought upon these fragments are all quaint and peculiar, and so the charm of novelty is added to the deep interest they naturally inspire. One meets with these venerable scraps at every turn, especially in the neighboring Mosque el Aksa, into whose inner walls a very large number of them are carefully built for preservation
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Bayard Taylor who wrote of the Jezreel Valley in 1852 “one of the richest districts in the world”
Laurence Oliphant 1887, again of the Valley of Jezreel “…was ‘a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive’ “
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It’s rather obvious from reading Innocents abroad, Mark Twain did not visit the most fertile areas of Palestine. It’s also rather obvious that Israel’s holey old Hasbara is just cherry picking!

November 9, 2010

Pushing the Hasbarrow for Israel.


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the actual Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, then by default it is the territory of what remained of Palestine on May 15th 1948.
Non-self Governing Territories fall under the protection of the UN Charter Chapt XI…

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The Hasbarrow Inc

End the Israeli occupation of Palestine

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“We were poor and happy. The sort of happiness felt when a person as is turning desert into garden.”

Peres worked in two kibbutz – Kibbutz Alumot, which was in desert. In his time it was a failure. It didn’t blossom in the desert.

The other, Geva in the Jezreel Valley, which was NOT poor land or a desert. It was already blooming and had done so for centuries. Of the Jezreel Valley Bayard Taylor 1852 wrote “one of the richest districts in the world”

Laurence Oliphant 1887 wrote “the Valley of Esdraelon (Jezreel) was ‘a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive’ “

Kibutz Alumot was a failure in his time, it didn’t turn the desert into garden. It was abandoned until 1967 and Kibbutz Geva was not in desert, it had been a garden for centuries.

What was his point? Israel allegedly turning the desert into a garden is IRRELEVANT to the actual legal status of Israel’s Internationally recognized sovereign extent.

See also Mark Twain Another Hasbara fairy tale, completely IRRELEVANT to the actual legal status of Israel’s Internationally recognized sovereign extent.

November 3, 2010

Israel vs Palestine. Contrary to the Hasbara, Palestine has existed far longer than any Jewish kingdom or Jewish State. By denying the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people, the longer history of Jewish existence in the region, as Palestinian Jews, is being denied.


It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, then it’s a territory of Palestine
.
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Apart from being irrelevant to the legal status of non-self governing territories and recognized extent of Israeli Sovereignty, by denying the existence of Palestine and the Palestinian people, the Jewish population who lived in Palestine throughout the diaspora
are being denied the longer history of Jewish existence in the region. As Palestinian Jews.

How many times have you heard “there were no such people as the Palestinians” or “No such country as Palestine”? To be correct, there was and still is no Independent Sovereign State of Palestine, nor for that matter was there an Independent Sovereign State, country or even a region called Israel until 1948. There was once a kingdom for a short period of time.

There was however Palestine.

The maps on linked on the sides of this page aren’t maps drawn in the era of the Hasbara. They’re of the region, drawn in 1480 & 1655 of the region at the time. From the Jewish National and University Library no less.

Basic maths: Since the Roman era, i.e., about 2,000 of the 3,200 year history of the Jewish people, the region in all it’s forms and under a number rules, has been known as Palestine. During this 2,000 year period, longer than there ever was a Jewish Kingdom or a Jewish State, Jewish folk living in Palestine were, like Palestine’s other folk, Palestinians. After having areas declared independent of it, TransJordan 1946, Israel 1948, what remains is still Palestine. The name has not changed for over two thousand years

In denying the existence of Palestine, the Jewish population who lived in Palestine throughout the diaspora are being denied their Jewish Palestinian history.

Herzl, who during his life time could have bought land and lived anywhere in Palestine as a Palestinian Jew, didn’t. Those who stayed in Palestine did. Tens of thousands who migrated in the late 1800’s did. That right was taken away by the formation of a separate state, independent of Palestine. Now Israeli Jews (and Israel’s other citizens) are prohibited from settling any where in Palestine by the laws Israel swore to uphold. Even under it’s own Law of Entry 1948 and still current, Israeli citizens are prohibited from entering a hostile entity. Not to mention the GC’s, Laws of War, UN Charter and numerous UNSC resolutions.

There is no logical reason for the notion that Palestine and the Palestinians did not exist except to justify the notion of a Greater Israel, at any cost. Even the history of the non-diaspora Palestinian Jews.


Contrary to the Hasbara twaddle

Have you actually read Twain’s “Innocents Abroad”? Or Bayard Taylor who wrote of the Jezreel Valley in 1852 “one of the richest districts in the world”

Some very nice pics
Photos of early Palestine
Show thriving, well ordered rural communities.

(thanks The Angry Arabs)

From Michael: Chairman of the Permanent Mandates Commission in 1937:
For the Mandates Commission, Palestine had never ceased to constitute a separate entity. It was one of those territories which, under the terms of the Covenant, might be regarded as “provisionally independent”. The country was administered under an A mandate by the United Kingdom, subject to certain conditions and particularly to the condition appearing in Article 5: “The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be . . . in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power”. […] Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.” DocumentLink http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/FD05535118AEF0DE052565ED0065DDF7

BTW read
Peres’ ‘making deserts bloom’ at the UN 2010

MORE – Palestine. A country, a state? Mandate period treaty documents between Palestine and Great Britain, Ireland, Iraq, Syria, TransJordan, Turkey, Egypt seem to confirm that it was.

November 2, 2010

What will happen if the Palestinians Declare Sovereign Independence by the ’67 armistice lines?


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, then it’s a territory of Palestine…

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A declaration of Sovereign Independence according to the Armistice lines of ’67 by the Palestinians makes for a really interesting situation…

FACT : Palestine’s name has not changed since Roman era. Under the Ottoman rule, the region was called Palestine. Under the Mandate, the region was called Palestine. Jordan was declared Independent of Palestine in 1946. What remained was still called Palestine. Israel was declared Independent of Palestine in 1948. . What remained was and is still called “Palestine”. The UNSC resolutions call for “peace in Palestine”, never peace in Israel. The wars have not been fought in Israel.

FACT : Palestine today is comprised by default, of the territories outside of and bound by the actual Internationally recognized extent of Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian & Israeli sovereignty. The legal status of Palestine has not changed since Israel was declared independent of Palestine on May 14th 1948. Armistice Demarcation Lines and Cease Fire lines have changed, neither of which have changed any borders.

FACT : Jerusalem was never instituted as a corpus separatum by the UN. It was not a part of Israel’s declared or recognized sovereignty. Jerusalem’s status has never legally changed from being a part of Palestine for over 2,000 years. Far longer than the entire existence of the Jewish Kingdom.

FACT :Territory can only be ‘acquired’ by legal annexation. The territories Israel illegally acquired by war by 1950 and has never legally annexed, are still legally a part of Palestine. (about 33% of the territory Israel claims as it’s own). It is inadmissible to ‘acquire’ territory by war. According to Schwebel/Lauterpacht, a state may ‘restore’ its sovereignty over its own territory by war. E.g., Syria has the right to ‘restore’ the Golan.

FACT : No actual borders were changed in ’67. Armistice Demarcation Lines are not borders unless they follow the actual borders existing before the armistice or unless “occupied territories” are legally annexed during the period of the armistice.

FACT : A Declaration of Sovereign Independence only comes into effect when the territories declared are completely free of occupation. (example ..“The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time” After the British occupation/Mandate ended.) In order to come into effect, Israel would have to withdraw from all of the territories declared by Palestine.

FACT : A Palestinian declaration according to the ’67 armistice lines and subsequent recognition as an Independent state, will not change the extent of Israel’s actual Internationally recognized declared sovereignty. There will still be a requirement to legally annex the territories between Israel’s legally recognized borders of 1948 and the border of Palestine for them to become sovereign to Israel.

By declaring Sovereign Independence according to the ’67 armistice lines, territories not declared as sovereign by the Palestinians and not declared as sovereign or legally annexed to Israel, would remain a part of Palestine until their status is legally changed via legal annexation.

Israel will finally have to either legally annex them, (legal annexation requires an agreement of the legal citizens, sans citizens of the annexing party) OR occupy them. As the Occupying Power, Israel would then be duty bound to PROTECT THEM until they in turn have the ability to become independent or decide to be annexed. However, as an Independent Sovereign State, Palestine would also be Regional Power. As such it would also have the same right to legally claim, annex or occupy the same territories.

Conundrum : If the Palestinians declare themselves independent by the boundaries of the ’67 armistice and call their state Palestine, what will the remaining, tiny, entity be called? And what are the ramifications if it erupts in civil war, outside the sovereignty of either entity? (HERE for the possible ramifications for Israeli citizens).

Which Regional Power would take over. It could ask to be legally annexed by one of the Regional Powers, as the Palestinians requested of TransJordan in 1950.

Which Regional Power would it trust? One who has for 64 years usurped the Palestinians, denying them RoR, razing their homes, villages, farms? Or the party who would sacrifice some 50% of it’s rightful territories, in order that there be peace, helping Israel extract itself from the illegal, facts on the ground black hole it has dug for itself and it’s illegally settled citizens?

If neither Israel or Palestine annex, hundreds of thousands of people living in the remaining, tiny, entity, many of whom are currently Israeli citizens, will be stateless.

If Israel does annex, it must be by agreement with the remaining tiny entity. This action alone would show the world that these territories were never a part of Israel. I.e., it has been bullsh*tting for 64 years. (Not that Israel ever seems to care about being shown as deceitful, as long as it has land).

Palestine would have just as much right as Israel to legally annex. Would Israel go ballistic? Kick the sh*te out of ye olde china shoppe? Ask yourself….. Who will stop them? The US, mightiest nation on earth, can’t even stop Israel’s illegal settlement program!

Israel vs Palestine. Occupation is a position of TRUST. There is an OBLIGATION and a DUTY to PROTECT the occupied, their property and their territory.


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948.

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Jerusalem Declared Israel Occupied City by Israeli Government Proclamation12 Aug 1948

Israel has never legally annexed any of this territories or any other territory it captured in the 1948/49 war.

The Occupying Power cannot legally annex without agreement with the civilian population of the territory being annexed, sans the citizens of the Occupying Power.

And Israel’s illegal annexation of east Jerusalem and the Golan, captured in the ’67 war were condemned by the UNSC.

Today Israel still occupies Palestinian territories, according to UNSC Res 1860 Jan 2009

CHAPTER XI: DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES
Article 73“Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end etc etc “

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First, read the UN Charter, care fully. It is actually a fine document with noble aspirations. Perfect? No. Nothing is perfect. However nothing, by it’s very nature, simply doesn’t exist.

What does exist is a set of rules for when parties cannot, do not or refuse to resolve their conflicts. Many of the rules exist because of the fate of the millions who suffered the horrors brought on by the Nazis. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees exists in large part because of the dispossession and deaths of European Jews and countless millions of other innocent people.

The rules have been accepted by all UN Members, without reservation. A UN Member State cannot opt out of ANY of the UN Charter which BTW reminds UN Members of their obligations to International Law and conventions already ratified by the majority (passing into Customary International Law) before Israel became a member.

Under the UN Charter there is an obligation and a duty for the UN/UNSC and/or Regional Powers after having stated their intentions to the UNSC, to intervene when a UN Member state acts illegally outside the extent of it’s sovereignty. They’re the rules Israel unconditionally accepted in order to become a United Nations Member.

Under the UN Charter (Chapt XI) non-selfigoverned territories are to be afforded protection by UN Member States. Occupation is a position of TRUST. There is an obligation and a duty to protect the occupied, their property and their territory. There is an obligation to assist the occupied in achieving statehood with all their rights, in all of their rightfull territories.

Israel is doing exactly the opposite while the world stands by, terrified of being called Antisemitic if they dare criticize, even though justifiable criticism is founded in the very laws Israel swore to uphold. Influenced by the Hasbara provided by the squeakiest door in the building. Fearfull of what the little Red Heifer in the Middle East might do to the china shop if held to account.

Israel’s founders at the time of declaration were well aware of the legal implications of declaring sovereignty. Well aware of the UN Charter, Laws of War & Geneva Conventions, before committing to them. Israel’s legal advisers were not naive. They were aware of every word, every punctuation mark, every exacting detail. They know full well that as long as a resolution or the writing of a resolution is being disputed, no action can be taken. None more obvious than the delaying tactic of arguing over the word ‘the’ in UNSC Res 242.

Unless the Zionist Federation were idiots, and we know they weren’t, when Plan Dalet was launched they must have known Israel could not be held to account by the UN until it joined the UN. The UN cannot censure non-members. However, the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, says “it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations. “

A search of the UNSC resolutions on the conflict from 14th May 1948 till admission to the UN reveals no direct demand or censure on Israel. After admittance May 11, 1949, we see the UN directly censuring Israel.

Israel’s narrative now is “The UN is biased against Israel, why doesn’t the UN censure the Palestinians, Hamas?”. Well, unless idiots are running the country, it’s BLOODY OBVIOUS!!

October 17, 2010

Whatever happened to Sharon and Bush?

Filed under: Israel & the Palestinians — Tags: , , , , , — talknic @ 8:37 pm

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The dealers – Peres is still around

Sharon and Bush and hundreds of others ….. aren’t

October 15, 2010

YouTube removes videos showing Israeli atrocities. Silwan Palestine “territories occupied” – ILLEGAL Israeli settler veers to wrong side of the road and drives into Palestinian children, allegedly to save himself AFTER his car had been stoned.


Israel informed the world of the extent of it’s sovereignty on May 14th 1948. Israel confirmed it’s borders with the UNSC on May 22nd 1948 and on June 15th 1948
Logic. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, it’s what remains of Palestine.

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The video has been removed from YouTube along with this notification
notification for OBSERVING the guidelines
Search for gratuitous+violence+definition

There are hundreds of copies of the video available across the internet, at least thirty on YouTube.
It is odd that one analyzing the event without prejudice is removed, while those trying to justify a illegal settler, Elad head, David Be’eri , driving on the wrong side of the road, are not removed.

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Silwan is in occupied Palestine – An ILLEGAL Israeli settler veers to wrong side of the road and drives into Palestinian children,
allegedly to save himself AFTER his car had been stoned. Would you accept the word of an illegal settler who’s career is intentionally breaking International Law?

The GC’s are there to protect all civilians. The occupied have a right to armed resistance against the occupier’s military. Only an IDIOT would purposefully move his family into “territories occupied” in order to advance the notion of a Greater Israel knowingly breaking International Law.

Youths who have spent their entire lives under occupation, born to parents who have spent their entire lives under occupation, are very likely to pay scant regard for the Laws of War, not that the Laws of War actually cover them throwing rocks at illegal settlers.

It is quite un-believable anyone serving on any Committee on the Rights of the Child would advocate that children be shot. Yet Israeli MK Ben Ari of the Israeli Committee on the Rights of the Child said “Even a child, if he is endangering someone’s life, should be shot at,”

There is something seriously wrong when a person on a Committee on the Rights of the Child, advocates the shooting of children who have lived their entire lives under occupation. How can Israeli MK Ben Ari have a position on such a committee? His callousness is quite sickening.

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Silwan - territories occupied - Palestine - Illegal settler drives car into Palestinian youths

October 12, 2010

Is Israel actually a democratic state? Read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. The words ‘democratic’ and ‘democracy’ simply do not appear.


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948. Neither are a part of Palestine, nor is Palestine a part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel

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How many times have you heard “Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East” ?

HERE for the Full Text of The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

Partial text

“WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948,”

An Israeli Government has never been elected in accordance with A) the Declaration B) in accordance with the Constitution. An Israeli constitution has yet to be written. It was a legal condition accepted by the Jewish People’s Council for declaring Independent statehood.

It is arguable that no Israeli law has ever been passed by a legally elected Israeli Government. The Provisional Government was not elected, was not put in place by a referendum, nor was the Zionist Federation or any other body representing the world’s Jewish population towards the formation of the State of Israel.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel;”

The prophets of Israel are a religious notion = theocratic. shades of Deuteronomy 20:15 perhaps?

“it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex;”

Depending on who those inhabitants might be, based on the prior ‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’

” it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions;”

‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’

” and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’?

Israel was not a democracy for the first 8 months as an Independent Sovereign State. There was no elected Israeli Government between May 15th 1948 and the first Israeli election on 25 January 1949. No laws during this period were passed by a democratic Government.

62 years later, we see:
Not able to reconcile the two notions Democratic and Jewish State, successive Israeli Governments are still acting without a constitution.
Still usurping the Palestinians
Denying the Bedouin their nomadic culture
Ignoring the Geneva Conventions
Ignoring the Israeli High Court
Ignoring the UN Charter
Ignoring hundreds of UNSC Resolutions
Illegally ‘acquiring’ territory not sovereign to Israel
Illegally annexing “territories occupied”
Illegally instituting Israeli Civil Law in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950 and never legally annexed to Israel
Illegally building Israeli civilian infrastructure in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950
Illegally building AND illegally selling dwellings to Israeli citizens illegally in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950

Haaretz – [[ Rabbi Yosef, who has been known to make controversial comments in the past, cited rulings based on the Book of Deuteronomy related to the Jewish people’s inheritance of the land, the presence of other peoples on the land, and that the Jews should not make a covenant with them “nor show mercy unto them.”
According to Yosef, this has been understood to mean barring the sale of land to non-Jews, based on an interpretation by Rabbi Yosef Caro, the 16th-century author of the codification of Jewish law, the Shulhan Arukh. ]]

The International community, the UN, the UNSC has only ever asked that Israel adhere to it’s voluntary obligations under the law. The same laws guarantee Israel the right to defend itself from all comers. They do not require Israel to relinquish ANY sovereign territory.

However, Israel seems to operate under the assumption it’s only answerable to a higher power, perhaps that of the prophets of Israel?

The Palestinians have only asked that Israel recognize their rights, which are no more or less than the rights of every human granted under the UN Charter and International Humanitarian Law.

Have Israelis actually voted for policies resulting in the above? Or have they been duped into the current situation? At the time of writing this, two of the most pertinent documents relating to Israel’s actual recognized Sovereign territories are nowhere to be seen on the Israeli Govt web site. Ignorance is bliss?

Interesting essay by Amnon Rubinstein. Professor of law at the Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya and an Israel Prize laureate. (note the title though “The Curious Case of Jewish Democracy”)


Discussion on reddit

October 11, 2010

Could a peace agreement lead to an Israeli civil war? What are the implications were it to happen?


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948 respectively. Neither are a part of Palestine, nor is it a part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel

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Could a peace agreement lead to an Israeli civil war? Inconceivable?

1) Consider the number of lawlessness illegal settlers who will very likely object to any peace agreement especially if they’re faced with either becoming Palestinian citizens or being re-settled in what might become or what is already actual sovereign Israeli territory.

2) Hundreds of thousands of Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, live in complete ignorance of the fact that they OUTSIDE of Israel’s actual sovereign territory.

Israel has never legally annexed any territories to it’s declared sovereign boundaries. It’s declared sovereign boundaries are those it accepted under UNGA Res 181 – the basis of Israel’s recognition by the majority of the International Community of Nations (democratically over riding the Arab states legal objections) : Letter from the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, May 15, 1948 “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.” Also available as PDF from the Truman Library

Quite a vast section of Israel’s citizenry are simply not living in Israel. But for the sake of this article, let’s just consider the illegal settlers in “territories occupied” since 1967. These are not just small outposts set up by hardliners. They’re vast housing estates, whole townships. Israeli citizens in illegally annexed East Jerusalem are also illegal settlers.

Again, for the sake of this article, let’s for the moment consider were a civil war to break out. It would for the most part, likely be fought in areas outside of Israel’s sovereignty. Under the UN Charter events outside of the sovereign territory of states are of concern to A) Other Regional Powers, the Arab States. B) The UN/UNSC.

Under the UN Charter, which Israel voluntarily agreed to, the UN/UNSC and Regional Powers have a RIGHT to intervene when UN Member States act outside of their acknowledged sovereign territories. An Israeli civil war in “territories occupied” would be OUTSIDE of Israel’s sovereignty.

October 2, 2010

Thinking of buying land or an apartment in Israel? Buyers beware. The Israeli Land Fund engages in illegal activities, deceit, propaganda


…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” and declared Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
it’s a territory of Palestine…

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NOTHING on Israeli Land Fund History of Struggle page gives Israel any LEGAL right to sell land in “territories occupied” or anywhere outside of Israel’s actual Sovereign boundaries. Buying this land or any Israeli civilian structure/apartment from the Israeli Land Fund , in the knowledge that the territory is NOT Israeli under International Law, is to be complicit in a crime. Investing in the construction of Israeli civilian infrastructure, development or dwellings in “territories occupied” or outside of Israel’s Sovereign territories, is to be complicit in a crime.

The Israeli Land Fund is LYING: “The State of Israel today was built on land which was legally purchased by Jewish organizations such as the Jewish National Fund (JNF) and other private individuals.”

A) Private, corporate and institutionally owned land is NOT ‘territory’. It’s REAL ESTATE! B) Furthermore, only a tiny percentage of the ‘territory’ eventually allocated to and accepted on behalf of Israel under UNGA Res 181, was ever bought (as real estate). Israel received the ‘territory’ for the homeland state COMPLETELY FREE. GRATIS. NO CHARGE. It was declared a Sovereign state and recognized as such by the majority of the International Community of States, based on the information provided them by the Provisional Government of Israel May 14th 1948, over riding the Arab State’s legal objections. Sovereign States MUST have declared and defined boundaries in order that other states know where Sovereignty begins and ends. Israel’s Sovereign Boundaries were declared May 14th 1948. No more, no less.

Furthermore it is illegal to ‘acquire’ territory by either defensive or aggressive war. Territory must be legally annexed, i.e., by a bilateral agreement, even if ‘acquired’ in a defensive war. ‘acquisition’ of territory is different from “restoring the lawful sovereign”.

Israel’s wars: A preemptive war is started by the preemptor. The UNSC does not recognize a preemptive war as defensive. It is why Israel has never asked for UN/UNSC assistance in it’s wars. It would not have been forthcoming. When Israel says “we were alone”, it is because Israel preempted (started) war. Under the preemptive Plan Dalet, launched in the weeks preceding Israeli declaration, Jewish forces were OUTSIDE of Israel’s declared territories at the time they were being declared. What was a civil war pre-declaration, became a war waged by a Sovereign State, against what remained of Palestine the moment Israel declared it’s Sovereign territories and adopted the Jewish forces OUTSIDE of those declared territories.

Under the UN Charter, the Arab States, as Regional Powers, had a right to attempt to expel foreign forces from the territories of Palestine. The Arab States’ Declaration on the Invasion of Palestine was accepted as valid by the UNSC . There are no UNSC resolutions condemning the Arab States for starting any war with Israel OR for invading Sovereign Israeli territory. Israel’s wars have all been fought almost exclusively in the territories of Palestine or the neighbouring states . There are no UNSC Resolutions calling for a cessation of hostilities IN Israel.

Stephen M. Schwebel – Judge of International Court of Justice The state of the law has been correctly summarized by Elihu Lauterpacht

territorial change cannot properly take place as a result of the unlawful use of force. But to omit the word “unlawful” is to change the substantive content of the rule and to turn an important safeguard of legal principle into an aggressor’s charter. For if force can never be used to effect lawful territory change, then, if territory has once changed hands as a result of the unlawful use of force, the illegitimacy of the position thus established is sterilized by the prohibition upon the use of force to restore the lawful sovereign.

In the Yom Kippur war, Syria had a right to attempt to restore it’s Sovereign territory, the Golan.

Shabtai Rosen – Professor of international law at Bar Ilan University “(a) Shortly after the signing of the Israel-Egyptian agreement, early in March. 1949, Israeli forces advanced south to the littoral into the area allocated to the Jewish State: in General Assembly resolution l8l (II) of 29 November 1947“

If it was not sovereign to Israel in 1948, not recognized by any member of the International Community of Nations and has never been legally annexed to Israel, it is, quite simply, NOT Israeli territory. It is not Israel’s to sell, lease or dispose of in any manner what so ever. It is ILLEGAL under International Law. People who break International Law are not going to care about you or your investment. You are serving the purpose of achieving a Greater Israel, illegally. Should International Law ever be enforced, by the withdrawal of the US UNSC veto vote, Israel could find itself forced to withdraw to it’s actual sovereign territory, leaving you and your investment in Palestine.

By all means invest in Israel. Just make sure it is IN Israel.

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