then it’s a territory of the non-state entity of Palestine…
If you can disprove any of the items here with citations of official documents from credible sources, I will gladly remove the offending item. Till then, feel free to put up, sans abuse and personal attacks…..learn!
“It’s just a blog!” – Uh Huh. However, the reference information it contains ISN’T just a blog. Please follow the links to documents to verify their veracity.!
Me? I’m just an old bloke in Oz who would dearly like to see the Palestine / Israeli issue resolved for the sake of all.
Propaganda, mis-information, hatred, bigotry and lies DO NOT HELP!
Propaganda & lies can easily be wiped away with a few quite simple questions based on non-partisan logic & maths and the actual Charters, Resolutions & Conventions of the UN etc & reading very carefully!!!! Beware of .. “In other words..”
Only the actual words are the ACTUAL words!
Beware of “So you mean to say..”
One means to say what what one says. Not what someone else wants you to say.
See how ‘other words’ like ‘negotiate’ & ‘negotiated’ change the meaning of the actual wording of UNSC resolution 242
You’ll find relevant documents and passages relating to the issue from reliable Israeli and non-partisan sources, so people can form an educated opinion without the propaganda and lies that have been generated over the last 100 years or so.
All I ask, as do the numerous UNSC resolutions against Israel, is that it abide by the Laws and uphold it’s VOLUNTARY obligations to the UN, which in no way threaten Israel or diminish it’s right to protect itself in accordance with the UN Charter, the Laws of War or the Geneva Conventions.
Q: There are many Jewish folk, even in Israel, who seek the same. Is it self-hating or Antisemitic to ask Israel to uphold it’s voluntary UN obligations?
The reference materials contained here are almost entirely gleaned from sources such as the UN, UNSC, UNHCR, UNRWA, the Knesset, the Israeli Government, the Jewish Virtual Library, the IAEA. There is no reference material from news sources, blogs (comments on them though). There are no Antisemitic or Islamist links or information.
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Do I support Israel? Most certainly! The Jewish people were given, gratis, the ‘territory’ in which to form a homeland and the opportunity, under the conditions of UNGA resolution 181, to declare Sovereignty over the territorial borders proposed in UNGA res 181, no more, no less. They did so and Israel was recognized as a Sovereign state, by the majority of the International Community of states, having Declared under those conditions and enshrined UNGA res181 in the Declaration of a Jewish State. It’s sovereignty is irrevocable.
Within it’s rightful territory, Israel is quite capable of and has the right to defend it’s people and actual sovereign territories from all comers according to the UN Charter, Laws of War and Conventions to which it is a voluntary signatory. It does not however, have the right to acquire ANY territory outside it’s own sovereign territory, other than by legal annexation.
As a UN Member state, Israel has the right to occupy territory as the “Occupying Power”, whereby it must uphold the Geneva Conventions to which it is a signatory and the UN Charter Chapt XI. This is exactly the same principal that applied to the occupation of the non-independent state Palestine, under the British Mandate over Palestine at the end of the Ottoman Empire and until 1948. Israel, like the British before them, does NOT have the right to claim that territory as it’s own by illegal, unilateral, annexation nor does it have the right to institute Israeli Civil Law in territories where it is the Occupying Power. It does not have the right to approve, encourage or support, illegal settlement.
The dream of a Greater Israel and G-od’s alleged promise was sold short when the Jewish Peoples Council declared a Sovereign State May 14th 1948, thereby defining it’s own territories and by default, what was not it’s own.
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The biggest lie is that Israel’s borders were never defined and that UNGA resolution 181 is irrelevant. However, in Israel’s own words…..
Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, May 15, 1948
“MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”
Recognition of Israel:
USA 15 May 1948 “… as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947…”
Russia 17 May 1948
Letter from Mr. Molotov stated: “Confirming receipt of your telegram of May 16, in which you inform the Government of the USSR of the proclamation, on the basis of the resolution of the United Nations Assembly of November 29, 1947, of the creation in Palestine of the independent State of Israel and make re-quest for the recognition of the State of Israel and its provisional government by the USSR. I inform yon in this letter that the Govern-ment of the USSR has decided to recognize officially the Stale of Israel and its Provisional Government.”
British 27 April 1950 The British Foreign Office issued a statement on May 17 to the effect that Great Britain would not recognize Israel for the time being because it had not fulfilled the “basic criteria” of an independent state. The British waited until a political party was elected to Govern the State of Israel, then granted de jure recognition, with conditions. The territories Israel had acquired by war, outside of it’s declared Sovereign Boundaries, were considered to be ‘occupied’. I.e., NOT Israeli Sovereign territory.
“His Majesty’s Government have also decided to accord de jure recognition to the State of Israel, subject to explanations on two points corresponding to those described above in regard to the case of Jordan. These points are as follows. First, that His Majesty’s Government are unable to recognise the sovereignty of Israel over that part of Jerusalem which she occupies, though, pending a final determination of the status of the area, they recognise that Israel exercises de facto authority in it. Secondly, that His Majesty’s Government cannot regard the present boundaries between Israel, and Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the Lebanon as constituting the definitive frontiers of Israel, as these boundaries were laid down in the Armistice Agreements concluded severally between Israel and each of these States, and are subject to any modifications which may be agreed upon under the terms of those Agreements, or of any final settlements which may replace them.” Thus far nothing has replaced them.
Australia 28 January 1949 “… on the basis of the resolution of the United Nations Assembly of November 29, 1947…”
New Zealand 29 January 1949 “It is the understanding of the New Zealand Government that the settlement of boundaries and other outstanding questions will be effected in accordance with the resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations of 11 December 1948.”
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Do I support the Palestinians? Most certainly! The majority of Palestinian people are civilian, men, women children who have never attacked Israel or taken any Israeli territory. They’ve not fired rockets, missiles, artillery shells, fletchettes, mortars, cluster bombs, phosphorus at anyone. They’ve not built a separation barrier on Israeli soil, bulldozed orchards homes apartments, built checkpoints, roadblocks, occupied or illegally acquired territory, been suicide bombers, created sonic booms, embargoed, sanctioned, withheld Israeli taxes, control Israel’s borders, airspace, territorial waters. They’ve never completely prevented Israelis from fleeing a war zone then attacked the territory with some of the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet as happened in Cast Lead.
The Palestinians have only ever asked for the rights afforded under the same UN Charter and conventions Israel has obliged itself to uphold! All they ask is that Israel abide by the law!
Militant Palestinian factions and individuals have committed war crimes, used terrorism. Proven, I condemn them un-equivocally. They however are not the majority of the Palestinian people.
What happened in the 1920’s is not the responsibility of Palestinians today. If they were alive in 1920, they’d be 89yrs old today. The life expectancy of a Palestine refugee to day is 73. It was about 47yrs in 1948-50. If they were alive in 1948, they’d have been children, no more than 14 yrs of age. They fought no wars, committed no slaughter, drove no-one from their homes.
The Palestinians have taken NOTHING of Israel’s.
Israel on the other hand, has taken and continues to take Palestinian territory, continues to dispossess, continues to occupy, continues to kill in order to protect Israelis illegally settling in the territories it illegally claims as it’s own.
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Israel is wiping the Palestinians off the map!
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