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October 17, 2010

Whatever happened to Sharon and Bush?

Filed under: Israel & the Palestinians — Tags: , , , , , — talknic @ 8:37 pm


The dealers – Peres is still around

Sharon and Bush and hundreds of others ….. aren’t

October 15, 2010

YouTube removes videos showing Israeli atrocities. Silwan Palestine “territories occupied” – ILLEGAL Israeli settler veers to wrong side of the road and drives into Palestinian children, allegedly to save himself AFTER his car had been stoned.

Israel informed the world of the extent of it’s sovereignty on May 14th 1948. Israel confirmed it’s borders with the UNSC on May 22nd 1948 and on June 15th 1948
Logic. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel, it’s what remains of Palestine.


The video has been removed from YouTube along with this notification
notification for OBSERVING the guidelines
Search for gratuitous+violence+definition

There are hundreds of copies of the video available across the internet, at least thirty on YouTube.
It is odd that one analyzing the event without prejudice is removed, while those trying to justify a illegal settler, Elad head, David Be’eri , driving on the wrong side of the road, are not removed.

Silwan is in occupied Palestine – An ILLEGAL Israeli settler veers to wrong side of the road and drives into Palestinian children,
allegedly to save himself AFTER his car had been stoned. Would you accept the word of an illegal settler who’s career is intentionally breaking International Law?

The GC’s are there to protect all civilians. The occupied have a right to armed resistance against the occupier’s military. Only an IDIOT would purposefully move his family into “territories occupied” in order to advance the notion of a Greater Israel knowingly breaking International Law.

Youths who have spent their entire lives under occupation, born to parents who have spent their entire lives under occupation, are very likely to pay scant regard for the Laws of War, not that the Laws of War actually cover them throwing rocks at illegal settlers.

It is quite un-believable anyone serving on any Committee on the Rights of the Child would advocate that children be shot. Yet Israeli MK Ben Ari of the Israeli Committee on the Rights of the Child said “Even a child, if he is endangering someone’s life, should be shot at,”

There is something seriously wrong when a person on a Committee on the Rights of the Child, advocates the shooting of children who have lived their entire lives under occupation. How can Israeli MK Ben Ari have a position on such a committee? His callousness is quite sickening.

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Silwan - territories occupied - Palestine - Illegal settler drives car into Palestinian youths

October 12, 2010

Is Israel actually a democratic state? Read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. The words ‘democratic’ and ‘democracy’ simply do not appear.

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948. Neither are a part of Palestine, nor is Palestine a part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel


How many times have you heard “Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East” ?

HERE for the Full Text of The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

Partial text

“WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948,”

An Israeli Government has never been elected in accordance with A) the Declaration B) in accordance with the Constitution. An Israeli constitution has yet to be written. It was a legal condition accepted by the Jewish People’s Council for declaring Independent statehood.

It is arguable that no Israeli law has ever been passed by a legally elected Israeli Government. The Provisional Government was not elected, was not put in place by a referendum, nor was the Zionist Federation or any other body representing the world’s Jewish population towards the formation of the State of Israel.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel;”

The prophets of Israel are a religious notion = theocratic. shades of Deuteronomy 20:15 perhaps?

“it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex;”

Depending on who those inhabitants might be, based on the prior ‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’

” it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions;”

‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’

” and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

‘as envisaged by the prophets of Israel’?

Israel was not a democracy for the first 8 months as an Independent Sovereign State. There was no elected Israeli Government between May 15th 1948 and the first Israeli election on 25 January 1949. No laws during this period were passed by a democratic Government.

62 years later, we see:
Not able to reconcile the two notions Democratic and Jewish State, successive Israeli Governments are still acting without a constitution.
Still usurping the Palestinians
Denying the Bedouin their nomadic culture
Ignoring the Geneva Conventions
Ignoring the Israeli High Court
Ignoring the UN Charter
Ignoring hundreds of UNSC Resolutions
Illegally ‘acquiring’ territory not sovereign to Israel
Illegally annexing “territories occupied”
Illegally instituting Israeli Civil Law in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950 and never legally annexed to Israel
Illegally building Israeli civilian infrastructure in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950
Illegally building AND illegally selling dwellings to Israeli citizens illegally in “territories occupied” and territories illegally acquired by war by 1950

Haaretz – [[ Rabbi Yosef, who has been known to make controversial comments in the past, cited rulings based on the Book of Deuteronomy related to the Jewish people’s inheritance of the land, the presence of other peoples on the land, and that the Jews should not make a covenant with them “nor show mercy unto them.”
According to Yosef, this has been understood to mean barring the sale of land to non-Jews, based on an interpretation by Rabbi Yosef Caro, the 16th-century author of the codification of Jewish law, the Shulhan Arukh. ]]

The International community, the UN, the UNSC has only ever asked that Israel adhere to it’s voluntary obligations under the law. The same laws guarantee Israel the right to defend itself from all comers. They do not require Israel to relinquish ANY sovereign territory.

However, Israel seems to operate under the assumption it’s only answerable to a higher power, perhaps that of the prophets of Israel?

The Palestinians have only asked that Israel recognize their rights, which are no more or less than the rights of every human granted under the UN Charter and International Humanitarian Law.

Have Israelis actually voted for policies resulting in the above? Or have they been duped into the current situation? At the time of writing this, two of the most pertinent documents relating to Israel’s actual recognized Sovereign territories are nowhere to be seen on the Israeli Govt web site. Ignorance is bliss?

Interesting essay by Amnon Rubinstein. Professor of law at the Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya and an Israel Prize laureate. (note the title though “The Curious Case of Jewish Democracy”)

Discussion on reddit

October 11, 2010

Could a peace agreement lead to an Israeli civil war? What are the implications were it to happen?

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
then it’s the territory of what remains of Palestine since Jordan and Israel declared their Sovereign Independence from Palestine in 1946 & 1948 respectively. Neither are a part of Palestine, nor is it a part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel


Could a peace agreement lead to an Israeli civil war? Inconceivable?

1) Consider the number of lawlessness illegal settlers who will very likely object to any peace agreement especially if they’re faced with either becoming Palestinian citizens or being re-settled in what might become or what is already actual sovereign Israeli territory.

2) Hundreds of thousands of Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, live in complete ignorance of the fact that they OUTSIDE of Israel’s actual sovereign territory.

Israel has never legally annexed any territories to it’s declared sovereign boundaries. It’s declared sovereign boundaries are those it accepted under UNGA Res 181 – the basis of Israel’s recognition by the majority of the International Community of Nations (democratically over riding the Arab states legal objections) : Letter from the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, May 15, 1948 “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.” Also available as PDF from the Truman Library

Quite a vast section of Israel’s citizenry are simply not living in Israel. But for the sake of this article, let’s just consider the illegal settlers in “territories occupied” since 1967. These are not just small outposts set up by hardliners. They’re vast housing estates, whole townships. Israeli citizens in illegally annexed East Jerusalem are also illegal settlers.

Again, for the sake of this article, let’s for the moment consider were a civil war to break out. It would for the most part, likely be fought in areas outside of Israel’s sovereignty. Under the UN Charter events outside of the sovereign territory of states are of concern to A) Other Regional Powers, the Arab States. B) The UN/UNSC.

Under the UN Charter, which Israel voluntarily agreed to, the UN/UNSC and Regional Powers have a RIGHT to intervene when UN Member States act outside of their acknowledged sovereign territories. An Israeli civil war in “territories occupied” would be OUTSIDE of Israel’s sovereignty.

October 2, 2010

Thinking of buying land or an apartment in Israel? Buyers beware. The Israeli Land Fund engages in illegal activities, deceit, propaganda

…It’s actually quite simple. If it isn’t the “acknowledged” and declared Sovereign Territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt or Israel,
it’s a territory of Palestine…


NOTHING on Israeli Land Fund History of Struggle page gives Israel any LEGAL right to sell land in “territories occupied” or anywhere outside of Israel’s actual Sovereign boundaries. Buying this land or any Israeli civilian structure/apartment from the Israeli Land Fund , in the knowledge that the territory is NOT Israeli under International Law, is to be complicit in a crime. Investing in the construction of Israeli civilian infrastructure, development or dwellings in “territories occupied” or outside of Israel’s Sovereign territories, is to be complicit in a crime.

The Israeli Land Fund is LYING: “The State of Israel today was built on land which was legally purchased by Jewish organizations such as the Jewish National Fund (JNF) and other private individuals.”

A) Private, corporate and institutionally owned land is NOT ‘territory’. It’s REAL ESTATE! B) Furthermore, only a tiny percentage of the ‘territory’ eventually allocated to and accepted on behalf of Israel under UNGA Res 181, was ever bought (as real estate). Israel received the ‘territory’ for the homeland state COMPLETELY FREE. GRATIS. NO CHARGE. It was declared a Sovereign state and recognized as such by the majority of the International Community of States, based on the information provided them by the Provisional Government of Israel May 14th 1948, over riding the Arab State’s legal objections. Sovereign States MUST have declared and defined boundaries in order that other states know where Sovereignty begins and ends. Israel’s Sovereign Boundaries were declared May 14th 1948. No more, no less.

Furthermore it is illegal to ‘acquire’ territory by either defensive or aggressive war. Territory must be legally annexed, i.e., by a bilateral agreement, even if ‘acquired’ in a defensive war. ‘acquisition’ of territory is different from “restoring the lawful sovereign”.

Israel’s wars: A preemptive war is started by the preemptor. The UNSC does not recognize a preemptive war as defensive. It is why Israel has never asked for UN/UNSC assistance in it’s wars. It would not have been forthcoming. When Israel says “we were alone”, it is because Israel preempted (started) war. Under the preemptive Plan Dalet, launched in the weeks preceding Israeli declaration, Jewish forces were OUTSIDE of Israel’s declared territories at the time they were being declared. What was a civil war pre-declaration, became a war waged by a Sovereign State, against what remained of Palestine the moment Israel declared it’s Sovereign territories and adopted the Jewish forces OUTSIDE of those declared territories.

Under the UN Charter, the Arab States, as Regional Powers, had a right to attempt to expel foreign forces from the territories of Palestine. The Arab States’ Declaration on the Invasion of Palestine was accepted as valid by the UNSC . There are no UNSC resolutions condemning the Arab States for starting any war with Israel OR for invading Sovereign Israeli territory. Israel’s wars have all been fought almost exclusively in the territories of Palestine or the neighbouring states . There are no UNSC Resolutions calling for a cessation of hostilities IN Israel.

Stephen M. Schwebel – Judge of International Court of Justice The state of the law has been correctly summarized by Elihu Lauterpacht

territorial change cannot properly take place as a result of the unlawful use of force. But to omit the word “unlawful” is to change the substantive content of the rule and to turn an important safeguard of legal principle into an aggressor’s charter. For if force can never be used to effect lawful territory change, then, if territory has once changed hands as a result of the unlawful use of force, the illegitimacy of the position thus established is sterilized by the prohibition upon the use of force to restore the lawful sovereign.

In the Yom Kippur war, Syria had a right to attempt to restore it’s Sovereign territory, the Golan.

Shabtai Rosen – Professor of international law at Bar Ilan University “(a) Shortly after the signing of the Israel-Egyptian agreement, early in March. 1949, Israeli forces advanced south to the littoral into the area allocated to the Jewish State: in General Assembly resolution l8l (II) of 29 November 1947“

If it was not sovereign to Israel in 1948, not recognized by any member of the International Community of Nations and has never been legally annexed to Israel, it is, quite simply, NOT Israeli territory. It is not Israel’s to sell, lease or dispose of in any manner what so ever. It is ILLEGAL under International Law. People who break International Law are not going to care about you or your investment. You are serving the purpose of achieving a Greater Israel, illegally. Should International Law ever be enforced, by the withdrawal of the US UNSC veto vote, Israel could find itself forced to withdraw to it’s actual sovereign territory, leaving you and your investment in Palestine.

By all means invest in Israel. Just make sure it is IN Israel.

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