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November 8, 2012

Israel vs Palestine “there was never a state called Palestine” It’s just more stupid Israeli propaganda


How many times have you heard “Was there ever a state called Palestine?”? Or “there were never a Palestinian people”?

Think about it. Prior to Israel being declared a state, there was never a State of Israel either. There was once a kingdom. However, for a far longer period of Jewish history in the region, from the Roman era until May 15th 1948, Jews lived there as Palestinians.

Like the holey olde Hasbara mantra “we made the deserts bloom” and what has been carefully cherry picked from Mark Twain, whether there was or was not a Palestinian State or people, is completely irrelevant to the legal extent of Israel’s Internationally recognized sovereignty and Israel’s obligations under the UN Charter, Chapt XI.

Like all the Hasbara attempts to justify the usurping of the Palestinians from their rightful territory, these mantras are simply bullsh*te



  1. How many nations have recognised Palestine now? 142, with 106 having full diplomatic relations, at least according to

    Dr. Azmi Bishara had this to say in Jan 2011:

    “… the first person to speak of recognising Israel as a “Jewish state” at the foreign policy level was the US Secretary of State under Bush, Colin Powell, in a speech he delivered in the autumn of 2001.

    … the expression couched as a condition in Israeli diplomacy, as opposed to how it was wielded domestically, dates to the Sharon era. In 2003, on the 25th of May, the Israeli cabinet convened a special meeting to discuss the “roadmap” that President Bush had formally submitted to Israel on April 30 that year, shortly after the US invasion of Iraq

    Israel accepted “the steps set out in the roadmap,” and appended a list of 14 “reservations.”, the sixth of these stipulates that the Palestinians must “waiver any right of return for Palestinian refugees to the State of Israel.” Then, in the following sentence, which explains or serves as a practical translation of the first, it states that the Palestinians must make “declared references to Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state in the introductory statements issued by leaders at the beginning of the roadmap.” This is precisely how the Sharon cabinet worded its response to the “roadmap” that it never accepted in the first place, contrary to what people have generally been led to believe. It was the first time the Israeli government expressed its demand for recognition in this manner.

    … Bush incorporated the Israeli demand into his speech on 4 June 2003, in which he affirmed America’s commitment to Israel “as a vibrant Jewish state.”

    … In an interview with Ha’aretz,(5) [2004] Yasser Arafat mentioned that the Palestinians had accepted the Jewish state in 1988 when the PLO officially agreed to the creation of a Palestinian state on the basis of the 1947 partition resolution.

    The interviewer seized upon Arafat’s remark and asked, “Do you recognise Israel as a Jewish state?” At first Arafat tried to evade the question, but when the interviewer kept pressing him with the same question he eventually said, “Certainly….certainly.”

    Perhaps he was trying, in his own well-known way, to curry favour with the Ha’aretz readership among the Israeli intelligentsia. In all events, the Israelis did not take his remarks seriously even though they constituted a framework of principles that should have been tempting to Israel. In the end, the interview simply furnished further proof that demonstrations of good faith and concessions, when offered from a position of weakness, do little to win over the adversary. In fact, they generally provoke ridicule and derision.

    Comment by William Smart — November 10, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

    • Mentioning Israel as the ‘Jewish State’ in dialogue is not the same as official recognition. Countries only officially recognize other states once. The US recognized the “State of Israel” May 15th 1948. In fact the ‘Jewish State’ has been crossed out and replaced with the “State of Israel”.

      Furthermore a demand for recognition is nonsense.

      A) Consider Israel’s APPEAL for recognition

      WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

      Now they demand recognition from a
      B) non existent state. Which, when it gains independence will not be governed by the same body as the pre-state representative and the state as an independent sovereign ;
      C) cannot be under the control of such a demand or agreement. States either recognize or they do not. There is no countersigned recognition document because it is a unilateral decision by the recognizing country;
      D) As the US puts it

      ” the view of the United States, International Law does not require a state to recognize another state; it is a matter for the judgment of each state whether an entity merits recognition as a state. In reaching this judgment, the United States has traditionally looked for the establishment of certain facts. The United States has also taken into account whether the entity in question has attracted the recognition of the International community of states.”

      E) We can see this in effect at the UN where there are existing state who do not recognize each other because it is not obligatory. What IS required is reflected in UNSC Res 242

      respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

      Comment by talknic — November 11, 2012 @ 2:16 am

      • Talknic, can you make a piece of your writing refuting this Israeli propagandist hack!

        Comment by Anonymous — November 22, 2012 @ 3:16 am

        • The guy with the glasses isn’t worth bothering with. A typical tough guy cyber bully.

          Comment by talknic — November 23, 2012 @ 7:18 am

          • Thanks, You are probably THE knowledgeable person I know on this conflict.

            But is his statements are correct?

            Comment by Anonymous — November 23, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

          • Also, is his statement about Hamas using human shield true?

            Comment by Anonymous — November 23, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

            • I’m not really interested in wasting my time on a hatefilled abusive jerk. Time is far better spent informing people

              Comment by talknic — November 24, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

              • Hi Talknic, he maybe hate-filled but many reasonable people agree with him, because they think that he is reasonable.

                He made another video, have a look.


                Comment by Anonymous — November 25, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

                • Anyone who thinks he is reasonable isn’t gonna listen to reason. It’s a waste of time and effort to become engaged. Neither argument is really informative. Desist. thx

                  PS No point in giving such people advertizing. The video/s will be removed from here

                  Comment by talknic — November 25, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

                  • That’s fine, talknic. I agree.

                    Based on your knowledge, which option would you pick?:

                    A) His view is insane
                    B) His points are irrelevant
                    C) He is somewhat correct
                    D) He has just Hasbara talking points

                    (I admire your opinion on this because I think you are very knowledgeable man on this subject)

                    Comment by Anonymous — November 29, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

                    • The guy is only interested in winning. Doesn’t matter about the subject

                      Comment by talknic — November 30, 2012 @ 10:31 am

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