First, find out what isn't true…

October 16, 2009

Has Professor Geoffrey Alderman no shame? A Professor? Of what? BullShite?

(Post post pre-post postscript) My apologies to Professor Alderman in respect to the struck out part of this post (see replies for the apology)

Where “Facts are Sacred” the Ziofied ‘facts’ remain, polluting the discourse! Factual counter argument, has been purged.

geoffreyalderman 15 Oct 09

stell: There was no such country as “Jordan” – and no such “people” as “Jordanians” – until well after WW1. The land we now call Jordan originally comprised about three-quarters of the total land mass of Mandate Palestine. The British decreed that Mandate Palestine east of the Jordan river should be reserved exclusively for Arabs (including, of course, Palestinian Arabs) and be prohibited to the Jews. This was of course agreed to by the Arabs.

KrustytheClown asks me two questions:
1) Do you believe that the only ‘Palestinian state’ is in Jordan? Answer No.
2) Do you believe that the occupied West Bank belongs only to the Jewish people? Answer No.
Geoffrey Alderman”

geoffreyalderman 12 Oct 09

“…It must be remembered that the Palestinians already have one state of their own – Jordan, the territory of which was part of the original Mandate given to the UK by the League of Nations.”

Have you no shame? Have you no history books? On 25 May 1923 , the Emirate of Transjordan (Arabic: ????? ??? ?????? ?Imarat Sharq al-?Urdun ) was proclaimed an independent state. It’s citizens were known as Jordanian. TransJordan became a sovereign state in 1946. It’s citizens were known as Jordanian. When the name was changed to Jordan , it’s citizens were known as Jordanian

Q: How many Israelis were there before 1948?



  1. Professor Alderman,

    Ooops and Oh dear, I mis-read WW1.

    My schooling has me writing WW1 & WW11 and for some reason…perhaps thinking WW11 at the time.

    Never the less, I apologize for the error. To that end have changed the post accordingly.


    Comment by talknic — October 19, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

  2. There is no contradiction whatever between what I have said and what you say about the establishment of the Hashemite Kingdom [or Emirate] of Transjordan. In fact what you say supports what I have said. There was a five-year gap between the end of WW1 (1918) and the establishment of Transjordan (1923), which the British carved out of the territory of Mandate Palestine and gave to Abdullah,a son of Hussain, the Sharif of Mecca. The Palestine Mandate that the League of Nations gave to the UK in 1921 included all the territory subsequently known as Transjordan, and even after 1923 the territory on both sides of the Jordan was administered as one Mandate. OK?
    Geoffrey Alderman

    Comment by Geoffrey Alderman — October 18, 2009 @ 8:53 am

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